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moors with red beards and blonde hair
I don't recall a single image where the Moors were ever depicted as White, but I'll bite. Only select few individuals in Mauritania are even remotely White, and this is due to a prehistoric European population that migrated down there tens of thousands of years ago.
i suspect black a moors were the converts they brought with them
That's quite possible tbh
i know in later years they started depicting moors as black
The paintings however do well to show their beards and turbans, so we're at the very least talking about a population from NA/the Levant
It could be at the time that Levantine DNA/rulership was more prominent from that region
these are berbers, from same area as moors
Yeah, I'm discussing it at home right now
I'm not buying it
For one, it's quite possible that the illustrators didn't have any contact with the Moors
the turks were also originally a red haired people and muhammed had red hair
And are detailing accounts of the story.
well the paintings of black moors were all done over 100 years after the invasion
It could be that Europeans eventually became more learned about North Africans by that time
Also, we'd need to see whether or not the Berbers/the like actually represented a significant genetic majority in the region around the time
the native north african population is the berbers not blacks btw
Eh, ish. There's been so much population movement in those regions over thousands of years.
Let me see if I can find a Principle Component Analysis with historical North African samples
there are caucasian mummies found in west china, why is north africa hard to believe?
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Yes, I'm firmly aware, but we need to ascertain whether or not the Moors were significantly more Africanized by the time they made contact in Iberia.
I mean, for one, if the Moors were White, why is it we see even a minimal degree of African admixture at the Horn?
This admixture is likely to stem from the presence of the Moors in the area before they were expelled
most historical depictions i find of the moors show pale skinned people. only more modern pictures show them as black
blacks may have been brought up through that area because of the arab slave trade
not that there were not any there before, just not as large a population
Also, those opinions were of England's Elizabeth, my bad. Not Isabella. Just to offer a correction.
plenty of mixin goin on
np
the problem is that europeans basically called anyone who was black or arab a moor at one point
Boi 😩
Presence of Haplogroup H in general isn't going to help us determine *what time it got there*