I think there's a place and time for fully armed events. Let's respect they the organizers don't want this to be this event.

I will most likely be concal carrying anyway I'm just looking out for those who won't have a permit.

We need a sort of third party armed security force that isn't affiliated with any of our groups like IE or TWP so no one's image gets bashed

Like actual Right Wing Safety Squads

If we were the government we would have rooftop spotters, likely armed

I guarantee you VA doesn't give a shit about being seen armed

@Norge🇳🇴 - SD like Aryan Brotherhood. No ideology. They just like to fight against non-whites

Yes but some of us like IE don't want that reputation.

Oh great a bunch of skinheads armed. Now that's GREAT optics

@Tyrone yes but preferably a group with less stigma

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If the oath keepers weren't faggots this is what they would exist for.

I give no fucks about "stigma" in a right context. Stigma is turning a reputation for effectiveness into a pejorative.

Anyone such "unaffiliated" enforcers would find themselves in the same ideological space from out (((enemies))) propaganda.

I'll stand side by side with skinheads any day, I'm just saying that if it's the optics of being armed that concerns people then having skinheads being armed doesn't really help that

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The Proud Boys are called neo-Nazis and white supremacists

Most Aryan Brotherhood are legal prevented from owning a gun.

I'm not sure that having armed particpants is actually bad for optics anyway. I'd bet it would show a lot of the NRA cucks who the TRUE defenders of their country really are and could likely lead many of them to join the cause.

That's kinda part of the nature of the demographic that has no choice but to embrace an extreme identity.

and I'd take 1 NRA cuck for every 5 shitlibs any day

@Tyrone re: what you said earlier about NFA, I know of a genuinely unhinged open WN who was a Class III dealer at one point. Got arrested for a crime involving violence, so presumably never again, but it wasn't a political thing AFAIK.

NRA type cucks are hopeless in lots of ways. "Muh 2nd amendment" cucks are usually somehow convince that muh rights and gun will make them an invincible army of one once SHTF.

I also have a good friend who was an open WN and had an NFA collection, but he paid through the nose for it.

Ionno I tend to think that if they saw a militia out there that they saw as willing to fight to defend the country they'd be inclined to join up.

@Stormer DC They see defending their own race and defending multiracial 'Murica as mutually exclusive.

@Stanislav Đajić Ruby Ridge was also a nominal NFA case where they wanted to lean on an insider to create an informant

Many do but there are plenty of racist rednecks out there that just haven't seen any groups like ours before as well.

Between cost of entry and invasive paperwork. It's de facto illegal.

And it also means then anyone who does jump through the hoops is going to go to extra length to stay within the lines. Some places make that VERY hard to do.

Anyway I will respect what Jason wants us to do but I'm just telling it like I see and no one is ever going to convince me that open carrying is bad optics just for the record.

@Tyrone The guy I'm thinking of sold his dealership and wasn't in the gun industry when he got in trouble for going to someone's house and trying to break down the door, IIRC.

I hesitate to give context because it would open a can of worms that has nothing to do with us right now. I'm talking about WN 1.0 personalities.

My original point was that being a bad goy doesn't really stop you from passing most formal background checks.

You are correct.

NFA isn't a normal background check however. Neither is a class three license. The new rules in the 90s really cut down on that method. The price alone is prohibitively engaging

Price, of course, except some lower-end new-production NFA items that you can get as a dealer sample, only to market to LE and military of course.

I still know a goy who passed the checks for pre-86 machine guns, and know of this other one who was an NFA dealer if my memory serves. He would have been known to the feds.

I just see this getting worse and worse as thought crimes become a bigger and bigger political cause.

I expect to see permit renewals being denied.

I can't say they wouldn't.

As we gain legitimacy with the white population, we also get scarier.