Message from @Philosophical Misfit

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2019-02-15 06:42:03 UTC  

just because we haven't seen alien life

2019-02-15 06:42:07 UTC  

doesn't mean it doesn't exist

2019-02-15 06:42:15 UTC  

so I won't make an absolute statement about it

2019-02-15 06:42:28 UTC  

Again the burden of proof lies on the one making the claim. I can entertain hypothetical's all day but if it doesn't have evidence, there's no reason to believe in it.

2019-02-15 06:42:36 UTC  

I'm not making a claim really

2019-02-15 06:42:40 UTC  

I'm just open to the possibility

2019-02-15 06:42:52 UTC  

there's no belief in anything

2019-02-15 06:42:54 UTC  

its agnosticism

2019-02-15 06:43:04 UTC  

That's not what agnosticism is.

2019-02-15 06:43:13 UTC  

god may or may not exist = agnostic

2019-02-15 06:43:19 UTC  

god does not exist = atheist

2019-02-15 06:43:20 UTC  

Incorrect.

2019-02-15 06:43:24 UTC  

god does exist = theist

2019-02-15 06:43:35 UTC  

Agnosticism = the existence of a deity / deities cannot be proven nor disproven.

2019-02-15 06:43:42 UTC  

^

2019-02-15 06:43:44 UTC  

It's a position of knowledge, that's all.

2019-02-15 06:44:03 UTC  

that's a stupid way of thinking

2019-02-15 06:44:12 UTC  

how would you know if something could not be proven or disproven

2019-02-15 06:44:17 UTC  

You can be an agnostic atheist, but most people who call themselves agnostics are fence sitters

2019-02-15 06:44:28 UTC  

that pretend "both sides are ridiculous"

2019-02-15 06:44:28 UTC  

Gnostic = thinks the existence of a deity can be proven
Agnostic = thinks the existence of a deity cannot be proven
theist = believes in a deity that is apart of a religion or/and involved
atheist = disbelief in all deities

2019-02-15 06:44:44 UTC  

no one uses the term agnostic in the way in which you just defined it

2019-02-15 06:44:45 UTC  

By the criteria of evidence....

2019-02-15 06:44:47 UTC  

except a small group of people

2019-02-15 06:44:52 UTC  

You have to dive into epistemology.

2019-02-15 06:44:53 UTC  

if that is the "correct" definition

2019-02-15 06:45:01 UTC  

@lemoncookie They don't, but a lot of people misuse the word "libertarian"

2019-02-15 06:45:03 UTC  

as well

2019-02-15 06:45:08 UTC  

You can be a libertarian socialist

2019-02-15 06:45:15 UTC  

uh

2019-02-15 06:45:20 UTC  

Gnostic can also refer to Gnosticism

2019-02-15 06:45:25 UTC  

the Demiurge n shit

2019-02-15 06:45:29 UTC  

it's not really misuse, it just means the definition of the term has changed or has multiple meanings

2019-02-15 06:45:30 UTC  

Gnosticism deals with knowledge lol

2019-02-15 06:45:36 UTC  

They think they can know

2019-02-15 06:46:03 UTC  

I'm an atheist, but I think most people here know that

2019-02-15 06:46:03 UTC  

this sounds like a philosophy major nitpicking over terms

2019-02-15 06:46:46 UTC  

Well, I identify as an agnostic.

2019-02-15 06:47:08 UTC  

there's no way to know to the best of my knowledge if "god" exists or not

2019-02-15 06:47:47 UTC  

I'm not sure why people assume we can know anything about "spiritual" matters when there's still epistemic claims we don't know about the materialistic world we see.

2019-02-15 06:48:07 UTC  

how do you know that you understand the materialistic world as well as you think you do