probs some wild west tier shit

But is there truely justice without due process?

Hey losers

100% I value my security more than freedom.

Ah ha! A opposed opinion.

When people talk about freedom in a libertarian context they're really talking about the right to own property and use it how they see fit (without government interference)

No when lolberts talk about it they mean consensual pedohpilia

if I use my property to rape kids, is it good?

The irony being that to do so requires the maintain of a social order which respects property rights

@Swiss Cheese. No of course not.

LIBERTARIAN SPOTED

To have this requires a dominant force having a monopoly over a territory and securing a united social order

All these abstract concepts that mean nothing 😔

muh rights

muh freedoms

After all, you need a mechanism to ensure that a socialist power doesn't rise and abolish those property rights

Law and Order is required.

And putting *muh* before something is not a valid argument.

**muh valid arguments**

the valid argument was above that dweeb

😂

Anarchy is not a friend to the libertarian concept of freedom

The state is

guys what is your favorite type of cheese

for example I love swiss cheese

dick cheese

@Swiss Cheese Stop attempting to derail the argument

I dip money in cheese

and smoke cheese

**like every normal swiss**

rights only exist in your mind and are gay af

fite me

@allhailthebowl. So maintaing a balance between law and order and freedom is a abstract idea?

the first one is less abstract

I think freedom is over simplified.

Maybe they are only in our minds. It is in fact a fake construct in everyone's mind. There is nothing that gives one man any right to rule over another man except the willingness to be ruled. However does that mean that it's a bad thing for society?

The social order I view as ideal has hierarchy. Men have authority over their wives, parents over their children. In some sense the children have restrictions placed on their freedom to choose, same for wives

Well I guess it depends on what we determine what is good and bad for society

Yet, this model gives the parents rights that I view as vital, namely the right to raise their children as they see fit

To deprive them of that right is far more unjust than depriving a child of the right to sex or drugs

The abstractions don't translate over into biological success, so I don't really gaf about them

Am I truely *free* if I have to spend all of my time defending what I have from would be theives or keeping my family safe from would be rapists/murderers?