scientific consensus is dictated by empirical truth

at least ideally it was

Science doesn't claim that it's objective, just that it's empirical. A scientific "consensus" shouldn't claim that it's objective, if it does then it's being dishonest and unscientific.

again i dont rly have a reason to believe gender isnt a social construct because evidence to the contrary is mostly disproven or non existent

^ ?

stop appealing to the ruling class

scientists can say that 2 + 2 = 5

@neztharion show me specific experiments that prove such a claim

which they may as well

So, lets say this. Does genetics play any influence in human behavioural patterns Rik?

i'd say so

gender as a concept has always been social, the idea that its biological is a reactionary claim

You do know that statement right there completely conflicts with "gender is a social construct"

Gender roles exist because men and women are biologically different. And if it was socially constructed then you'd see gender disparities become less in countries like Norway, instead they become more pronounced. This isn't controversial, cultural studies of masculinity going back to at least the 70s take note of societies that hold up masculinity as a virtue have gender roles become more similar, and vice versa.

>reactionary claim

Stop this social constructivist BS.

i'm not saying it's a social construct

@neztharion How has it been disproven? Most of the arguments (that I have seen at least) usually boil down to using the existence of grey areas and the transgendered as proof alone that gender is purely social.

Some aspects of gender are indeed social constructs, for instance, "masculine and feminine" colors, but the personality traits associated with them, however, are not

i'm saying it's not a social construct

@neztharion you're the only one of us two that sucks up to the regime

that's when you begin mixing sex and gender

they mean the same thing

well, they dont

yes they do

in the overwhelming majority of people

gender and sex are the same thing

literally semantics

transgenders are a tiny minority

trannies are a mental illness along with homosexuality

@neztharion if gender roles are socially constructed why are gender disparities more pronounced in Scandinavian countries than in America

So, and ironically taking an arguement from (((Jorden Peterstien))) howcome even in extremely liberal societies, where that "gender" gap is effectively completely removed from society, you still see typical gender roles play out at higher-then-wanted levels by shitlib bolsheveks

@neztharion Also

hormones influence personality traits

hormones vary between the sexes

This is something I'm sure you accept

If material conditions can change cultural values towards gender roles why can't material conditions genetically select for different traits in men and women? This is autistic.

caved in head congnitive dissoance is my diagnosis

We can even see this in women with high testosterone

pretty standard tbh

Women who have more of it are more masculine than other women

and vice versa for men who have less of it