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2019-01-29 04:19:32 UTC  

like the secret gospel of mark, gospel of mary, gospel of judas, and the most famous one, the gospel of thomas

2019-01-29 04:25:38 UTC  

btw saint mark was the one whom founded the coptic church prior to catholic influences after pope peter I of alexandria's death

2019-01-29 04:26:40 UTC  

the copts were originally gnostics

2019-01-29 04:27:08 UTC  

but were taken over by catholic influences and almost all gnostics were wiped out

2019-01-29 04:29:56 UTC  

Jesus as Gnostic saviour
Jesus is identified by some Gnostics as an embodiment of the supreme being who became incarnate to bring gnōsis to the earth,[62][53] while others adamantly denied that the supreme being came in the flesh, claiming Jesus to be merely a human who attained divinity through gnosis and taught his disciples to do the same.[citation needed] Among the Mandaeans, Jesus was considered a mšiha kdaba or "false messiah" who perverted the teachings entrusted to him by John the Baptist.[63] Still other traditions identify Mani and Seth – third son of Adam and Eve – as salvific figures.

2019-01-29 04:32:25 UTC  

Development

Three periods can be discerned in the development of Gnosticism:[64]

Late first century and early second century: development of Gnostic ideas, contemporaneous with the writing of the New Testament;
mid-second century to early third century: high point of the classical Gnostic teachers and their systems, "who claimed that their systems represented the inner truth revealed by Jesus";[64]
end of second century to fourth century: reaction by the proto-orthodox church and condemnation as heresy, and subsequent decline.

During the first period, three types of tradition developed:[64]

Genesis was reinterpreted in Jewish milieus, viewing Jahweh as a jealous God who enslaved people; freedom was to be obtained from this jealous God;
A wisdom tradition developed, in which Jesus' sayings were interpreted as pointers to an esoteric wisdom, in which the soul could be divinized through identification with wisdom.[64][note 21] Some of Jesus' sayings may have been incorporated into the gospels to put a limit on this development. The conflicts described in 1 Corinthians may have been inspired by a clash between this wisdom tradition and Paul's gospel of crucifixion and arising;[64]
A mythical story developed about the descent of a heavenly creature to reveal the Divine world as the true home of human beings.[64] Jewish Christianity saw the Messiah, or Christ, as "an eternal aspect of God's hidden nature, his "spirit" and "truth", who revealed himself throughout sacred history".[26]

2019-01-29 04:33:55 UTC  

Historical Jesus
See also: Jesus in comparative mythology and Christ myth theory

The Gnostic movements may contain information about the historical Jesus, since some texts preserve sayings which show similarities with canonical sayings.[75] Especially the Gospel of Thomas has a significant amount of parallel sayings.[75] Yet, a striking difference is that the canonical sayings center on the coming endtime, while the Thomas-sayings center on a kingdom of heaven that is already here, and not a future event.[76] According to Koester, this is because the Thomas-sayings are older, implying that in the earliest forms of Christianity Jesus was regarded as a wisdom-teacher.[76] An alternative hypothesis states that the Thomas authors wrote in the second century, changing existing sayings and eliminating the apocalyptic concerns.[76] According to April DeConick, such a change occurred when the endtime did not come, and the Thomasine tradition turned toward a "new theology of mysticism" and a "theological commitment to a fully-present kingdom of heaven here and now, where their church had attained Adam and Eve's divine status before the Fall."[76]

2019-01-29 04:35:50 UTC  

Paul and Gnosticism

Tertullian calls Paul "the apostle of the heretics",[78] because Paul's writings were attractive to gnostics, and interpreted in a gnostic way, while Jewish Christians found him to stray from the Jewish roots of Christianity.[79] Paul wrote to the Corinthian church members as "having knowledge" (Greek: τον εχοντα γνωσιν, ton echonta gnosin).[80] James Dunn claims that in some cases, Paul affirmed views that were closer to gnosticism than to proto-orthodox Christianity.[81]

According to Clement of Alexandria, the disciples of Valentinus said that Valentinus was a student of a certain Theudas, who was a student of Paul,[81] and Elaine Pagels notes that Paul's epistles were interpreted by Valentinus in a gnostic way, and Paul could be considered a proto-gnostic as well as a proto-Catholic.[61] Many Nag Hammadi texts, including, for example, the Prayer of Paul and the Coptic Apocalypse of Paul, consider Paul to be "the great apostle".[81] The fact that he claimed to have received his gospel directly by revelation from God appealed to the gnostics, who claimed gnosis from the risen Christ.[82] The Naasenes, Cainites, and Valentinians referred to Paul's epistles.[83] Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy have expanded upon this idea of Paul as a gnostic teacher;[84] although their premise that Jesus was invented by early Christians based on an alleged Greco-Roman mystery cult has been dismissed by scholars.[85][note 22] However, his revelation was different from the gnostic revelations.[86]

2019-01-29 04:36:05 UTC  

Have you read the aforementioned books

2019-01-29 04:36:16 UTC  

yes, i have

2019-01-29 04:37:01 UTC  

if you wanna redpill anyone on the catholics reading the remaining apocryphal books is a good start

2019-01-29 04:37:25 UTC  

considering they were books of the bible that were thrown out by constantine and the vatican

2019-01-29 04:37:32 UTC  

Do you have a pdf?

2019-01-29 04:39:02 UTC  

shit i think its on my other computer

2019-01-29 04:39:42 UTC  

I'll take note of those books and search them up later then

2019-01-29 04:40:25 UTC  

Much thanks

2019-01-29 04:40:34 UTC  

bruh

2019-01-29 04:40:35 UTC  

doe

2019-01-29 04:41:01 UTC  

yeah gnosticism represented a threat to the early church

2019-01-29 04:41:20 UTC  

yo

2019-01-29 04:41:23 UTC  

lucifer

2019-01-29 04:41:39 UTC  

hmm?

2019-01-29 04:41:42 UTC  

you one sexy az nigga

2019-01-29 04:41:51 UTC  

dafuq?

2019-01-29 04:42:09 UTC  

just a wish

2019-01-29 04:43:20 UTC  

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2019-01-29 04:43:25 UTC  

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2019-01-29 04:43:46 UTC  

OwO

2019-01-29 04:43:52 UTC  

What would you suggest i start with

2019-01-29 04:44:05 UTC  

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2019-01-29 04:44:12 UTC  

Anything in particular i mean

2019-01-29 04:44:12 UTC  

start with some weed then parachute the cocaine

2019-01-29 04:44:20 UTC  

@Navinoo i suggest gospel of thomas first

2019-01-29 04:44:33 UTC  

Ight

2019-01-29 14:38:40 UTC  

I swear to Allah I will find Double Negative

2019-01-29 14:47:09 UTC  

He really make you that butt hurt