Message from @OrthoNinten

Discord ID: 625084693682847765


2019-09-21 21:39:17 UTC  

People dont request salvation out of nowhere, people ask for God to aid them achieve their goals

2019-09-21 21:39:39 UTC  

thats a generalisation and from my experience a wrong one

2019-09-21 21:39:49 UTC  

maybe its different in Portugal

2019-09-21 21:40:26 UTC  

At least I ask God to help me achieve things more than just giving them

2019-09-21 21:40:27 UTC  

That sounds like a liberal gripe with Christianity "it's too legalistic"

2019-09-21 21:40:36 UTC  

It really shouldn't be legalistic

2019-09-21 21:40:43 UTC  

I only asl for things I cant directly controll

2019-09-21 21:40:48 UTC  

Lile strenght of will

2019-09-21 21:40:50 UTC  

Health

2019-09-21 21:41:07 UTC  

Forgivness for my sins and the will to correct them

2019-09-21 21:41:15 UTC  

Ect ect ect

2019-09-21 21:41:23 UTC  

You also have to go to confession for forgiveness

2019-09-21 21:41:27 UTC  

Which gets a lot of people

2019-09-21 21:41:40 UTC  

Protestants did away with that idea

2019-09-21 21:41:44 UTC  

I havent confessed in a while

2019-09-21 21:41:49 UTC  

That you need to go to confession

2019-09-21 21:41:58 UTC  

But it is important

2019-09-21 21:42:52 UTC  

if its a ordered faith like Christianity, ofc I have a fucking gripe if something that it preaches isnt actually done properly in the organisation

2019-09-21 21:43:17 UTC  

I think that its important but I dont see God sending you to hell because you didnt confess

2019-09-21 21:43:22 UTC  

Maybe Im wrong

2019-09-21 21:43:24 UTC  

Christianity recognizes that humans are sinners. Original sin is a crucial concept that even Protestants believe in

2019-09-21 21:43:33 UTC  

also >forgiveness

thats also gay af. You can't stand to be judged for your actions that you did on your own accord? Woah nellie

2019-09-21 21:43:39 UTC  

Its just my opinion after all I cant speak in the name of God

2019-09-21 21:43:47 UTC  

?

2019-09-21 21:43:54 UTC  

what are we debating

2019-09-21 21:43:56 UTC  

God knows if you truly want forgiveness or not

2019-09-21 21:43:59 UTC  

@Mankn II your church speaks for you

2019-09-21 21:43:59 UTC  

@Parabellum thats litteraly being judged

2019-09-21 21:44:01 UTC  

Tbh
The fear of hell did delay me from convetting

2019-09-21 21:44:10 UTC  

Punishment doesnt mean you werent forgiven

2019-09-21 21:44:14 UTC  

being judged is fine, asking for forgivenes is not

2019-09-21 21:44:14 UTC  

He's argument is correct from my experiance

2019-09-21 21:44:20 UTC  

@Pelkių monstras how does the fear of hell stop you from converting

2019-09-21 21:44:27 UTC  

it should be the other way round

2019-09-21 21:44:31 UTC  

the fear of hell makes you convert

2019-09-21 21:45:15 UTC  

@Parabellum God is the father, he will punish you for your sins, but you still ask for forgivness like you would to your family

2019-09-21 21:45:25 UTC  

@Veritas twas born a christian no longer am 😉

2019-09-21 21:45:31 UTC  

pretty stupid @Pelkių monstras

2019-09-21 21:46:05 UTC  

it was a good decision. Sadly I was retarded(well still am) when I did it.

2019-09-21 21:46:06 UTC  

There are many people that clearly claim to follow Christianity who clearly contradict it. This is true about every religion though

2019-09-21 21:46:08 UTC  

Can we stop with the religious talk