Message from Americana - MD in Charlottesville 2.0 #general_1
I'm lost now. The problem statement is that we are afraid that antifa will camp out in the park to prevent us from setting up, correct? If so we pretty much have two options. 1. Get the police to clear the park and control access until we get setup and ready. 2. Commit felony assault if the antifa wont move.
Here is the deal:
The police HAVE to leave a portion of the park open to the "public" (including Antifa). The best possible deal we could strike is to give them an area as small as 10'x10' or a single pathway from one end of the park to the other
How many obese antifa can they fit in a 10x10 square?
@Kurt Them I'm assuming you and your guys won't be helping with security and trying to ensure the event actually happens?
Antifa ARE NOT going to be allowed to camp out in the park
What is our access to the police for communication going to be like in the midst of all of this? Generally speaking, the two sides should be relatively easy to distinguish, and point out interlopers to the cops.
I am just pointing out that we should take the option that is the safest and most legal. If the police are willing to clear the park for us, let them.
There will almost 200 police in the park. We have a lot of say in the safest way to deploy them
Then all bets are off
But if the are making the offer, then why not take it and plan on attempting to clear the park ourselves as a contingency.
You put the contingency plan in place in advance. We need to be proactive not reactive. Also if we are not willing to take some risks for what we believe I don't know what to say. This isn't a movement for the risk adverse.
We were talking about weather is was a good idea to have passes at all. Not if the cops say they can control access and fail to do it.
If they say they are going to do something, and they don't we are in a berkely situation.
You operate on the assumption the police will not do their job, not the other way around
Yes I agree.
But that wasnt what we were talking about lol
The thing about the passes is that at best, we get passes in the hands of a fraction of the attendees, and have a bottleneck in the middle of an already chaotic situation while we try to check passes for hundreds of people. It seems like a lot of extra complication for not much improvement on the situation.
@Gavius Corvus the question on the table isn't about passes for the general attendance, but about passes for the setup crew between 10-12
Well, how big does the setup crew have to be?
Seems like something that could be done on the basis of Kessler or other VIP saying "hey, these 10 guys are here to help set up."
The setup crew is irrelevant if you can't gain access to the damn park.
By 10-12 the counter protesters will likely already be out in force.
Ahh yes we must have the "VIP"s guide us
They're all knowing
And I feel that's generous. They'll probably be out a lot earlier.
They can easily take the park
This isnt' a conversation for the general chat
Jesus fucking christ
This is something you decide amongst the coordinators and leadership of the various groups and the nput out guidance
YOu don't ask 500 people what they think the best way to run your event is
^^ good point
No, its fine. Just seeking different points of view
He's trolling us.
We arent getting anywhere at this point. So anyways, who has seen Dunkirk.
They disappear when there's a difficult question it seems