Yes

been charged with a crime?

because all this bureaucracy is *fucking gay*

guilds are detrimental for the same reason bureaucracy and overzealous regulations are

Guilds are oligopolies in the spirit too

so are attorneys not required to take bar exams?

The Bar is a monopoly racket that says you can't help people unless you go through us. Naive people say they mean well to protect the public, but really it's just about money and control.

in order to practice law, an attorney must take the bar exam cooltic

lmao just represent urself

gay

You can

they can get their degree, just can't practice without the license

There's a problem with that, Cool, that's really complicated

stupid documents

and extra bereaucracy

fucking

I agree. Stupid documents

everything big gay

the courts are no different

I am just accusing this man 'ere of being a nigger

why tf

do I need

Wait... if you represent yourself in court, you are practicing the law without a loicense

a special document

currently, judges are the embodiment of the bar

*20* different documents to be exact

Technically, there's a difference between being a lawyer and being an attorney. Technically, I am a lawyer, but not an attorney, though saying that confuses people cuz they think they're the same thing, so I just say I'm trained in law to get to the heart of what I really mean, which is that I have knowledge of how the law operates

what's the difference between attourney and lawyer then?

It's like the difference between being a mechanic and being a certified mechanic. You don't need a degree or a license to know how to fix a car.

so in other words, you only know theory and are pretty clueless when it comes to the laws pragmatic application in a court

i see

let me rephrase: have you ever argued a case in a COURT of law?

Oh... attourney is someone who is allowed through loicense to represent other people and entities

And lawyer is actually anyone who practices the law (with or without loicense)

If you look up the etymology of the word "attorney," it comes from "attorn," which means "to turn over." An attorney is someone who basically represents a bankrupt entity (which is all of you). Basically, an officer of the court who has to follow certain rules, and if you go against those rules, you're punished. Again, it's like a guild or a racket. This is why they don't like people representing themselves or others unless they're a member, cuz it takes money from them.

is it like an engineer vs a technician?

nah, that is different

ppl trained in ME are engineers, ppl trained in MET are fake-engineers that we call technicians

attourney is from french and means something "man on bhalf of another"

not always

An attorney is more like a trustee. Someone you turn over property to for their management.