Message from @Kealor

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2019-11-05 11:22:07 UTC  

not the source

2019-11-05 11:22:19 UTC  

thats is a massive assertion

2019-11-05 11:22:24 UTC  

and that's the disagreement

2019-11-05 11:22:25 UTC  

my fucking god this _name in winders kills me

2019-11-05 11:22:55 UTC  

most see the brain as being like a computer, each portion having specific hardware

2019-11-05 11:23:03 UTC  

The machine just does not do searches with normal spaces and blaNAMEbla formats

2019-11-05 11:23:05 UTC  

rather than the brain being like a memory register

2019-11-05 11:23:10 UTC  

winders is dumb this way

2019-11-05 11:23:56 UTC  

where the hardware is the same, but the parts of memory which handle certain functions are because of a running kernel

2019-11-05 11:24:01 UTC  

that is an empirically defined system though

2019-11-05 11:24:20 UTC  

there is no way to tell these apart empirically

2019-11-05 11:24:28 UTC  

bridging that with the constructed system of computational processing is likely what will lead to the development of ai, rather than sohpisticated illusions

2019-11-05 11:24:37 UTC  

agreed

2019-11-05 11:24:45 UTC  

singularity

2019-11-05 11:24:47 UTC  

just because it hasnt been bridged yet doesnt mean a bridge is impossible as you seem to be claiming

2019-11-05 11:24:57 UTC  

why can't NN be the source and a result of intelligence?
That's literally a description of an evolutionary lööp

2019-11-05 11:25:01 UTC  

which is one of the key reasons i think they are greatly exaggerating

2019-11-05 11:25:27 UTC  

because a NN doesn't self-seed nor can it handle selection of optimzation criteria

2019-11-05 11:25:31 UTC  

or atleast by virtue of them being different, to assert that they fundamentally cannot be merged requires more than just the assertion

2019-11-05 11:25:55 UTC  

how does it not self-seed?
There are NNs that create other NNs and evaluate them

2019-11-05 11:26:00 UTC  

oh 100% everytime any company uses the term "AI" they are full of shit

2019-11-05 11:26:25 UTC  

Neural networking is a phenomena relatively detatched from its namesake

2019-11-05 11:26:27 UTC  

Constantly improving NNs that do a better version of self is literally what Amazon spends billions on

2019-11-05 11:26:28 UTC  

because these are two seperate processes and the input schema is always pre-defined

2019-11-05 11:27:06 UTC  

the brain doesn't require you to know what you are looking for when you first encounter an instance

2019-11-05 11:27:18 UTC  

btw Amazon throws out algorythms that are starting to make too many decisions

2019-11-05 11:27:19 UTC  

lol

2019-11-05 11:27:41 UTC  

you create a representation in it's mind and until you associate that with a definition, you only have it's identity

2019-11-05 11:27:48 UTC  

Imagine a poor algyrythm being "I am self-sentien"
Amazon: delet

2019-11-05 11:28:23 UTC  

machines are capeable of the same behaviour

2019-11-05 11:28:43 UTC  

behaviour?

2019-11-05 11:29:07 UTC  

they just generally lack the abstraction to connect data points that usually follows and is used to improve the algorithms used

2019-11-05 11:29:28 UTC  

present NNs can do that, but its limited to its own scope

2019-11-05 11:29:44 UTC  

again, the result of abstraction is not the mechanism which allows abstraction

2019-11-05 11:30:07 UTC  

it simply isn't capable of knowledge representation in a native context

2019-11-05 11:30:26 UTC  

why not? interesting philosophy is predicated on the understanding that circular loops exist

2019-11-05 11:31:06 UTC  

because O^n

2019-11-05 11:31:34 UTC  

Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind

2019-11-05 11:31:46 UTC  

for each additional layer, the propagation time of the network will increase

2019-11-05 11:33:35 UTC  

the only away around this is a convention based arrangment of storage elements which can self-organize and use the same pathways to access multiple iterations