an absolute IS

rank

coolitic lets say ur friends have stolen something, nothing important but stole non the less, and owner of that thing asks u if u know who stole it and u know it so is telling him who stole the stuff moral?

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lets say he has to lie to the government

If malicious intent, I would tell

if it's just a pranlk

One day the scholars will study the great debates of mannimal and cool

thats a different action

what if the government is fascist looking of jews?

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this is relative morality

@ManAnimal I said "rank", bucko

but u would lie wouldnt u

why you not ranking?

Rank = retired

@Tato yessir

Morality can only be absolute if you believe in a higher power

is it bad to lie in that situation?

or is it immoral?

Absolute morality is a spook

Under a nihilistic world view there can be no absolute morality

@ManAnimal rank, from greatest to least: deontology, virtue, consequence

morality cannot be absolute without creating sa PARADOX

https://files.catbox.moe/0j1i9n.mp4

I am almost certain that this is the crux of our disagreement

watch the video

so plz, rank

gimmie ur thoughts

Wait, we have to create Paradox Interactive in order to achieve absolute morality?

Yes

Yes

the only way to AVOID this is to say, "I accept that it is wrong to LIE and will take responsibility for the lie even if i do so in order to preserve LIFE"

We need to create paradox before they sold out

this avoids the paradox

MA, you are avoiding my inquiry

That's the absolute end goal of morality

bois pls im trying to bring sense into this young man through example

stop distracting him

Okay okay <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898> I'm going for food anyways tata

lying is unethical but sometimes its moral