what have i said that was contradictory

@Lucienne d'Anwyl revolutionaries were already making moves before lexington

Suddenly Germany and Japan dindu nuffin as they sponsor the bloodiest revolution of the century in Russia

Le HMMM

they were acting in their material interests.

im not saying i support other factions dippin their hands where it dont belong

to profit

If you consider spontaneous monster to be an actual revolt insuppose

Then the revolution began even more spontaneously

With attacks on British ships and occupying soldiers

But that was all done without foreign support lol

Communism is the worst thing that happened to russia and adjacent nations

Which kind of erodes your own argument

Russia lost the most sacred of all things: its culture

@Uksio the ussr drastically improved quality of life

compare russia life expectancy before and after fall of ussr

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/29/in-russia-nostalgia-for-soviet-union-and-positive-feelings-about-stalin/

Russians are being indoctrinated again

"muh worst thing to happen to russiansl

Just like you have been

Problem I think Marxists have is it’s more about the money then anything else. when most people don’t innately derive inspiration in their grand narratives by how much they could earn. If we did that then slavery in the American south would’ve been around for a little while longer then the abolitionists forming a unit.

implying russians werent indoctrinated ever

Funny enough soviets collapsed 10 years after they started to UNIRONICALLY kill family unit
i.e. putting kids into commune centers and only allowing them to see parents one day a week

If you were really honest you would compare living conditions under the czar and after the czar was murdered

yes because modern russia which has every reason to he anti ussr indoctrinates them to love the ussr lmao

Lol

@BabaBooey strawman. Life expectancy before 1900 worldwide was lower, not just russia

@Lucienne d'Anwyl living conditions under the tsar were dismal, after the revolution and defeat of the nazi beast it sky rocketed

Commies didn't improve it, they just did the same medical improvements the whole world was doing

Like the living conditions of all those prosperous Ukrainian farmers?

Most of whic were stolen discoveries anyhow

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That’s like 30 fucking years dude lol

@Uksio the soviets lifted millions out of poverty, starvation, homelessness, illiteracy ect in 30 years which took england a century

Am I right Lysenko?

@BabaBooey citation needed

Baba out of curiosity where are you from

Cuz I know where uksio is from

Soviets put a fuckton of people into forced labour camps to make soviets work

And I think he has a much more pertinent perspective than you