Message from @whiic
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I still don't understand the maths where supposedly herbivore diet causes more animal suffering because the need to kill pests at the field. (Where as supposedly pests don't need killing in the fields growing food for cows, who eat tens times more to produce similar weight of edible meat.)
It's the problem especially with cattle: they are very inefficient at building bodymass of edible meat. Pigs grow fatter faster.
Not to mention chicken.
cuz spinach can't defend itself
But spinach that is fed to a cow can?
Are you a retard?
cows and pigs do a pretty good job of chasing pests away themselves
How does food grown for human need defending but that grown for cows is capable of self-defense?
cows don't eat human food
Wheat is not human food?
cows eat grass/straw/hay
cow food doesn't need to be cultivated. it just grows by itself all wild and stuff
wheat? who tf feeds them wheat?
Not even the stalks?
what?
grass. they eat grass.
hay
straw
that shit grows everywhere -- it can't not grow
Well, that's when they are grazing.
Conservatives always claim countless animals are killed to protect it.
and that's also what you bail, for them to eat when they can't graze
To the point that carnivorism is animal protection.
um, i know there's an argument that says that you would necessitate an total genocide every livestock animal if we all go vegan
And that's the most retarded of all arguments.
i'm just saying it's out there
You could just ban breeding new ones and eat the current, already existing ones.
tru
Yet, I've heard that argument several times.
but now we have several more species that are now extinct.
i thought greenies were all about the biodiversity?
Errrr... now we havE?
And how are greenies responsible of extinction?
I don't think a couple of breeds of cows, pigs and chicken count much of biodiversity. There are countless breeds of "chicken" in the nature. In captivity, only few.
It's just that domesticated chicken have a greater biomass than all the wild chicken combined.
it's not my hill - i was just throwing it out there
I'm not on my hill either. I'm not a vegan. I'm just playing devil's advocate because I think some counterarguments are pure retardation.
i'm also not too awfully familiar with the "vegetarianism kills animals" reasoning ... but let me see if i can intuit it......
Anyway, I think I'll bail out this discussion and go torture myself with my favorite conservative lolcow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvqGVJE6i2s
.... land set aside for livestock is actually has functioning ecosystems on them. if it ain't actively aggressing the livestock, then everything goes along just fine.
however, that land (and more) would have to be converted to crop land, which *is* managed to keep everything else out
destruction of ecosystems