Message from @Jeremy

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2019-09-24 12:29:44 UTC  

Because it fundamentally misunderstands markets and their processes.

2019-09-24 12:29:56 UTC  

And Tito fucked up Yugoslavia in the long haul by preventing it from coming out

2019-09-24 12:30:05 UTC  

This is where Russia is heading now if the KGB stays in power, which I'm almost certain they will do.

2019-09-24 12:30:09 UTC  

They don't understand that the market actually embraces Communist ideals more than any alternative.

2019-09-24 12:30:12 UTC  

Because 10 years after he died it definitely did pop up

2019-09-24 12:30:19 UTC  

Just a lot harder than normal

2019-09-24 12:30:56 UTC  

And when they realize they can't survive without them, just as Stalin had in his abolition of the NEP, they devolve into fascism.

2019-09-24 12:31:47 UTC  

Such is the fate.

2019-09-24 12:31:49 UTC  

Those are called Nazbols, they do exist and I would just say they’re the honest communist, because at the end of the day it’s one ethnic group that ends up adopting the ideology and the rest don’t

2019-09-24 12:31:49 UTC  

May be the only form of governance that can actually abolish markets is fascism, because it can give the people some ideal different than trying to improve themselves.

2019-09-24 12:32:03 UTC  

So they have to kill the groups that don’t accept communism

2019-09-24 12:32:25 UTC  

The free market is better at handling this because everyone is motivated by profit, not ideology

2019-09-24 12:32:31 UTC  

E.g. lie to them that sacrificing for "The Greater Good" of your kin, whatever it means, is actually better than just living your life.

2019-09-24 12:32:45 UTC  

You should admit it, it's really efficient bait.

2019-09-24 12:32:47 UTC  

Altruism is the failure.

2019-09-24 12:33:11 UTC  

As for fascism, it doesn't function by abolition of markets.

2019-09-24 12:33:16 UTC  

I believe there is a natural tendency in males to sacrifice themselves for their tribe tbh

2019-09-24 12:33:17 UTC  

Socialism works great for about 5 minutes, then businesses start colapsing, and the government takes over to try and hold them up. Banks naturally failing and rebuilding is a vital part for a healthy economy. Bail outs are destructive especially when the banks have so much control they can cause a recession and they know the government will give them handouts.

2019-09-24 12:33:17 UTC  

You cannot survive abolition of markets.

2019-09-24 12:33:43 UTC  

They merely regulate out the market processes in such a way as to give them the ability to centrally plan, while leaving the appearance of market freedom.

2019-09-24 12:34:08 UTC  

That is why fascism is always socialism with the capitalist veneer.

2019-09-24 12:34:12 UTC  

Fascism is pretty much the definition of a truly mixed economy with heavy government oversight

2019-09-24 12:34:24 UTC  

Along with state cartels.

2019-09-24 12:34:27 UTC  

They don’t abolish the free market

2019-09-24 12:34:34 UTC  

Ministries of industry setting quotas.

2019-09-24 12:34:39 UTC  

It's wholly inefficient.

2019-09-24 12:34:42 UTC  

But they definitely over see it and regulate it to hell

2019-09-24 12:34:54 UTC  

I actually would disagree on fascism.

2019-09-24 12:34:56 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613769167199535104/626033827973693440/1b4c781e-b0af-4d2c-a353-7dfcbee4b303.jpg

2019-09-24 12:34:58 UTC  

It also requires protectionism, which then leaves the only avenue for material wealth through conquest.

2019-09-24 12:35:10 UTC  

I think fascism just lacks innovation

2019-09-24 12:35:24 UTC  

Is mostly the problem there as far as economics

2019-09-24 12:35:41 UTC  

There's nothing to innovate upon.

2019-09-24 12:36:03 UTC  

But I actually really believe societies that don't innovate are more stable than ones that do.

2019-09-24 12:36:06 UTC  

This is the best definition you'll get: https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

2019-09-24 12:36:18 UTC  

China is more fascist in economics than communist tbh

2019-09-24 12:36:24 UTC  

Oh, yes.

2019-09-24 12:36:26 UTC  

Certainly.

2019-09-24 12:36:35 UTC  

As I said, all Communist regimes must devolve into fascism to survive.

2019-09-24 12:36:36 UTC  

This is why there is a stagnation there now.

2019-09-24 12:36:37 UTC  

Anyway I gtg