Message from @ManAnimal

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2019-09-16 03:51:40 UTC  

That's why you should never embrace the identity others give you

2019-09-16 03:51:50 UTC  

Existence exists isn't enough to seprate identity from definition

2019-09-16 03:52:17 UTC  

however, everthing that exists influences at least one other existant... covers that defficency

2019-09-16 03:52:41 UTC  

others only can DEFINE you

2019-09-16 03:52:48 UTC  

a definition is external

2019-09-16 03:52:48 UTC  

Not really

2019-09-16 03:52:53 UTC  

and identity is internal

2019-09-16 03:53:08 UTC  

only YOU know those unique attributes and methods

2019-09-16 03:53:16 UTC  

But I think it's a good simplification

2019-09-16 03:53:23 UTC  

but other's reference the label

2019-09-16 03:53:27 UTC  

Nah, you can't really know yourself and that's the funny thing

2019-09-16 03:53:27 UTC  

the definition

2019-09-16 03:53:44 UTC  

other's can't know your 'identity'

2019-09-16 03:53:46 UTC  

And most people know about themselves less than others

2019-09-16 03:54:16 UTC  

to them, they only need the minimal set of traits that sets you apart from the set of entities they have encountered

2019-09-16 03:54:34 UTC  

Others can identify you as for example, an enemy or a member of an outgroup. If they can do it then it's in the realy of possibility

2019-09-16 03:54:58 UTC  

so if a person never encounted a black kid before and you are black, that is sufficient to identify you from the others

2019-09-16 03:55:35 UTC  

the point is the is the set of comparison for the other person and the set of comparison for you

2019-09-16 03:55:42 UTC  

And to you, you don't need any traits, is that what you mean?

2019-09-16 03:56:01 UTC  

Sorry I haven't slept and just finished a paper my brainz don't work properly

2019-09-16 03:56:12 UTC  

what i mean it is only the mimimum required given a variable set of comparison

2019-09-16 03:56:27 UTC  

the baby can use any label they like for the cat

2019-09-16 03:56:37 UTC  

they only need to differentiate it from the dog

2019-09-16 03:56:48 UTC  

It's an abstraction of the cat.

2019-09-16 03:56:54 UTC  

correct

2019-09-16 03:56:59 UTC  

it's a representation

2019-09-16 03:57:25 UTC  

which is only 'good enough' to seperate it from other representations they have accumulated

2019-09-16 03:57:36 UTC  

That's why the abstraction of concepts from physical referents is an crucial basis of knowledge.

2019-09-16 03:57:39 UTC  

But identity is something that's identifiable so on the very basic lingual level it is still possible to

2019-09-16 03:57:43 UTC  

You’re referring to what is known as a “ schema ” in psychology terms by Piaget

2019-09-16 03:57:52 UTC  

The reason why I vehemently oppose individuals who seek to reverse the process.

2019-09-16 03:57:57 UTC  

as the set of representations expands, more traits are required to differntiate and identify an entity

2019-09-16 03:58:33 UTC  

yup

2019-09-16 03:59:05 UTC  

but rand described those concepts decades before they were published in psychological journals

2019-09-16 03:59:18 UTC  

Piaget describes these in the 20s

2019-09-16 03:59:37 UTC  

Gender was always an abstracted concept from the two, physical referents of male and female physiology.

2019-09-16 03:59:59 UTC  

He was way before Rand

2019-09-16 04:00:01 UTC  

but there is a diffrence between a 'slot and a signal'

2019-09-16 04:00:07 UTC  

To reverse the process and claim primacy in mind over reality is the very definition of insanity.

2019-09-16 04:00:12 UTC  

gender is a relative reference