Message from @Tsagaan Mongol
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a definition is a list of minimal qualities that are associated with a particular label
Yes, my definition is congruent with Ayn Rand's
You're getting there, @ManAnimal.
Indeed.
her's however is incomplete
Identity is also subjective and can be given and taken away by others, same as it can be attributed to oneself or lost (usually your personal identity is pretty fucking deeply rooted in your psyche so this one ain't that easy, but identity given by another or a group is an ezpz what we can see literally every day with SJW cucks getting cancelled and losing literally all friends, money, job opportunities and health)
That's why you should never embrace the identity others give you
Existence exists isn't enough to seprate identity from definition
however, everthing that exists influences at least one other existant... covers that defficency
others only can DEFINE you
a definition is external
Not really
and identity is internal
only YOU know those unique attributes and methods
But I think it's a good simplification
but other's reference the label
Nah, you can't really know yourself and that's the funny thing
the definition
other's can't know your 'identity'
to them, they only need the minimal set of traits that sets you apart from the set of entities they have encountered
Others can identify you as for example, an enemy or a member of an outgroup. If they can do it then it's in the realy of possibility
so if a person never encounted a black kid before and you are black, that is sufficient to identify you from the others
the point is the is the set of comparison for the other person and the set of comparison for you
And to you, you don't need any traits, is that what you mean?
Sorry I haven't slept and just finished a paper my brainz don't work properly
what i mean it is only the mimimum required given a variable set of comparison
the baby can use any label they like for the cat
they only need to differentiate it from the dog
It's an abstraction of the cat.
correct
it's a representation
which is only 'good enough' to seperate it from other representations they have accumulated
That's why the abstraction of concepts from physical referents is an crucial basis of knowledge.
But identity is something that's identifiable so on the very basic lingual level it is still possible to
You’re referring to what is known as a “ schema ” in psychology terms by Piaget
The reason why I vehemently oppose individuals who seek to reverse the process.
as the set of representations expands, more traits are required to differntiate and identify an entity
yup