Message from @SnowPirate67

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2019-09-16 03:57:43 UTC  

You’re referring to what is known as a “ schema ” in psychology terms by Piaget

2019-09-16 03:57:52 UTC  

The reason why I vehemently oppose individuals who seek to reverse the process.

2019-09-16 03:57:57 UTC  

as the set of representations expands, more traits are required to differntiate and identify an entity

2019-09-16 03:58:33 UTC  

yup

2019-09-16 03:59:05 UTC  

but rand described those concepts decades before they were published in psychological journals

2019-09-16 03:59:18 UTC  

Piaget describes these in the 20s

2019-09-16 03:59:37 UTC  

Gender was always an abstracted concept from the two, physical referents of male and female physiology.

2019-09-16 03:59:59 UTC  

He was way before Rand

2019-09-16 04:00:01 UTC  

but there is a diffrence between a 'slot and a signal'

2019-09-16 04:00:07 UTC  

To reverse the process and claim primacy in mind over reality is the very definition of insanity.

2019-09-16 04:00:12 UTC  

gender is a relative reference

2019-09-16 04:00:18 UTC  

Gender was always a concept in the language and was for some reason also applied to inanimate objects

2019-09-16 04:00:36 UTC  

^^Yup

2019-09-16 04:00:37 UTC  

it's critial for the opposite role to interact with given a degree of uncertainty

2019-09-16 04:00:59 UTC  

it's LESS critical for all of those who share the same key attributes

2019-09-16 04:01:20 UTC  

it's far more critical when the interaction is with one outside that group

2019-09-16 04:01:34 UTC  

gender is a 'slot'

2019-09-16 04:01:49 UTC  

and that slot sends signals to the other slot

2019-09-16 04:02:11 UTC  

change the slot, and the signals no longer work as intended

2019-09-16 04:02:22 UTC  

Again Piaget did a whole lot of work in this how we group gender and such

2019-09-16 04:02:22 UTC  

and the other slot has no way of knowing

2019-09-16 04:02:27 UTC  

you should read his work

2019-09-16 04:02:36 UTC  

his work is very differnet though

2019-09-16 04:03:01 UTC  

he doesn't address the elastisicity or the difference between percepts and concepts

2019-09-16 04:03:42 UTC  

say nothing for the neurological portion that accounts for the fact that both percepts and concepts have the same inputs but function in two different modes

2019-09-16 04:04:23 UTC  

i.e. percepts are subconcsious. children assimilate behaviours but aren't aware of how or the associations

2019-09-16 04:04:55 UTC  

much like sensory input from indivuidual nerves are processed on the level as a composite whole

2019-09-16 04:05:29 UTC  

concepts are made consciously and can be easily deconstructed

2019-09-16 04:05:43 UTC  

but they are both represetnational contructs

2019-09-16 04:05:46 UTC  

Based on your percepts.

2019-09-16 04:06:10 UTC  

I'm not entirely sure about that conscious part of concept creation

if people i meet dont remember my name no big deal but if they don't remember my starsign i lose my shit

2019-09-16 04:06:45 UTC  

there is a reason that a dog can only reach the intelligence of a child at the age when children typically learn to speak

2019-09-16 04:06:51 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613767975614283832/623006859678318592/OneOfTheThingsIsNotLikeTheOther.jpg

2019-09-16 04:06:53 UTC  

because thought is language

2019-09-16 04:07:31 UTC  

the process of labeling the set of representations one has assembled about the world

2019-09-16 04:07:49 UTC  

Not entirely true. What's more you can (and should) read without vocalisation, same about thinking, it is possible to do it without naming or envisioning stuff

2019-09-16 04:07:52 UTC  

and being able to exchange those represetnations with others

2019-09-16 04:08:19 UTC  

it's not about the act of thinking

2019-09-16 04:08:30 UTC  

it is about the act of organizing representations