In the semi modern age like mid 1900s liberalism and marxism have been driven by the same 2 things profit and some sort of freedom or equality

social liberalism already opened the door to the sort of egalitarianism we see from progressives by prescribing political action to rectify inequalities that transcend legal inequalities

They are strongly related

one thing that truly baffles me is how identitarianism became synonomous with liberalism. why can't people see that's a backslide?

that isn't to say that progressivism is entirely liberal, but it mostly is, and the illiberal strands carry the power they due by virtue of their proximity to ruling class ideology

well that's still an identitarian idea. if everybody is equal under the law, black/white/gay/etc then we don't need these grand scales-on-thumb actions like affirmative action etc

Also for the record calling yourself a classic liberals is a special way to say literally conservative

if you're for striving for equality of opportunity and you recognize that inequality of opportunity stems from an idententarian basis then doesn't it logically follow

but if everybody is equally entitled to universal healthcare, free education, etc, then there's nothing to fix

I don't call myself a classic liberal

because the idea is that these groups still face inequalities of opportunity by virtue of their identity

social liberal maybe? anti-identitarian liberal?

Yeah but I just wanted to say class liberal as a term is retarded

Phone autocorrect is too

I don't think identity should play literally any role in politics

why

because skin color doesn't matter

Well identity isn't just race

"conservatives" are just the centrist libs of your parent's generation and the progressives of your grandparent's generation

or if you're gay or whatever

doesn't matter

well I've gone from literal card carrying member of the greens to voting one nation

but I'm still liberal 😄

well if you're getting at race (which isn't just about skin color) it certainly acts as a proxy for things that are important

I don't agree it's a proxy for anything

it's a proxy for genetic clusters

well I acknowledge racial difference in IQ ala charles murray but think it plays no role in public policy

just a fact

Does it not tho

which manifest in different patterns of behavior, especially when you take into account how race affects cultural expression

I think identity and politics can't be separated, groups of similar people will vote similarly, and they will always try to do what's best for their group

we should be structuring society to maximise the flourishing of intelligent creatures (sam harris style)

We prevent kids from trying cars because of their lower IQ and ability to do complex tasks

Therefore

kids aren't a proxy for low IQ, kids are a proxy for undeveloped brains

supporting the development of a more intelligent stock is fine but i don't think it is something that should be done over all else

#BicyclesForBlacks

kids aren't dumb, just not developed

you can test a kid to have a very high IQ and they're still unable to drive cars properly

i would still rather have a 100 iq anglo immigrant than a 110 iq congolese immigrant

lmao