Message from @Miniature Menace

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2019-07-17 00:18:05 UTC  

If you want to have the most financial success, you want your employees to be paid as little as possible, which means a two-class system is optimal. That's in line with socialist ideas.

2019-07-17 00:18:20 UTC  

Which is also, heavily Jewish.

2019-07-17 00:18:48 UTC  

I'm just reading up on the value of opening your home to strangers, this is going a bit fast

2019-07-17 00:19:14 UTC  

Can you link me to something that shows two-class systems are promoted?

2019-07-17 00:19:37 UTC  

Read Culture of Critique.

2019-07-17 00:19:58 UTC  

I mean in regards to Judaism

2019-07-17 00:21:11 UTC  

I don't know as much specifically about Judaism, but many of the biggest earlier promoters of socialism were Jews, as well as often being involved with organizing affiliate entities, unions, etc.

2019-07-17 00:21:38 UTC  

"Conversely, an inconsiderate guest in a hospitable house is condemned. While hosts may not make guests feel awkward, guests are obligated to be grateful for the labors of the host."
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hospitality-in-judaism

2019-07-17 00:22:03 UTC  

Muslim mass migration... gratefulness... nope

2019-07-17 00:22:28 UTC  

While there's a theory that marxism is basically a backdoor to instituting some Talmudic vision of the world, where the only property owners are Jews, I haven't really investigated that much. It's likely some of the Jewish communists were genuinely atheistic, but also possible that they may have been using it as a graft, sure.

2019-07-17 00:22:50 UTC  

They don't practice it as an official doctrine in *their own* countries, so much.

2019-07-17 00:23:02 UTC  

But they push for it aggressively outside of Israel.

2019-07-17 00:23:13 UTC  

mhmmm, I'm skeptical

2019-07-17 00:23:29 UTC  

I think we're closer to discovering a mish-mash of ideologies, not a monolithic religious movement

2019-07-17 00:23:33 UTC  

"Give me your tired, your poor" ring a bell?

2019-07-17 00:23:38 UTC  

That sounds like a more believable thesis

2019-07-17 00:23:46 UTC  

No, sorry

2019-07-17 00:24:06 UTC  

it's not so much specifically tied to their religion, but certain ideas in their religion provide a set of values to serve as an impetus for instituting certain agendas.

2019-07-17 00:24:17 UTC  

Yeah ok I can see that

2019-07-17 00:24:27 UTC  

Picking and choosing your values, it's what everyone does all the time

2019-07-17 00:24:40 UTC  

Like, I don't think there's literally a part of the Jewish faith that says, "Infiltrate goy societies, and trick them into raising their boys as girls."

2019-07-17 00:25:22 UTC  

So basically your point would be the Jewish religion offers more of a baseline for open borders, whereas Christianity or atheism would be indifferent. It's not straight up propagation of open borders, just more tolerant towards it?

2019-07-17 00:25:33 UTC  

Just so I understand

2019-07-17 00:25:47 UTC  

It was a poem written by a Jew, attached to the Statue of Liberty after it was built.

2019-07-17 00:26:02 UTC  

Basically, an attempt at revision of its symbolic function.

2019-07-17 00:26:36 UTC  

Yeah attaching the idea of freedom to that of social justice

2019-07-17 00:26:45 UTC  

Written at a time when America was the land of opportunity, not the land of entitlements and handouts.

2019-07-17 00:26:57 UTC  

It was originally a symbol of comradarie between the US and the French, a symbol of their mutual struggle for liberation. But was later turned into a symbol of unfettered and uncritical immigration.

2019-07-17 00:27:14 UTC  

America should be the land of opportunity, IMHO, with the entitlements and handouts serving as emergency safety nets, etc.

2019-07-17 00:27:20 UTC  

Not as incentives to migrate.

2019-07-17 00:27:23 UTC  

So just to make sure I get your point

2019-07-17 00:27:48 UTC  

Are you indeed saying it's just that small little push for open borders, no matter how small, that makes the difference in Judaism?

2019-07-17 00:27:59 UTC  

i'm by no means arguing their would be no supporters of socialism, abortion, or transgenderism without jews, just to be clear

2019-07-17 00:28:07 UTC  

or even that this is something all jews support, they don't

2019-07-17 00:28:20 UTC  

k, so

2019-07-17 00:28:54 UTC  

My question would then be, is it just purely personal choice, an arbitrary personal choice that makes a Jew be more pro open border than the rest of them? Or is there something more institutional?

2019-07-17 00:29:11 UTC  

You'd have to ask a Jew.

2019-07-17 00:29:21 UTC  

Basically, what's happening isn't largely the consequence of the whole of the population of Jews, but a relatively small number of very influential and highly motivated jews, working in tandem with many non-jewish elites to push certain agendas.

2019-07-17 00:29:52 UTC  

The jewish vector of organization shouldn't be ignored, but it's not a universal condemnation of jews.

2019-07-17 00:29:57 UTC  

Well then it'd help if you started using that rhetoric instead