Message from @Miniature Menace

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2019-07-17 02:23:49 UTC  

That's early 20th century, and those times still haunt us today

2019-07-17 02:23:51 UTC  

Hence, "It's Okay to be Jewish"

2019-07-17 02:24:25 UTC  

Yeah little things like that, and big ideas like a presidency

2019-07-17 02:24:32 UTC  

From small to big, we should do everything we can

2019-07-17 02:24:49 UTC  

And the most important thing to do is

2019-07-17 02:24:52 UTC  

No more mistakes

2019-07-17 02:24:59 UTC  

Tall order

2019-07-17 02:24:59 UTC  

lol

2019-07-17 02:25:05 UTC  

Yeah

2019-07-17 02:25:09 UTC  

In chess there's a saying

2019-07-17 02:25:22 UTC  

You don't win because you play perfect, but because you make fewer mistakes than your opponent

2019-07-17 02:26:09 UTC  

And when it comes to the choice of strategy, I tend to go back to Sun-Tzu

2019-07-17 02:26:49 UTC  

He has minor misconceptions, but overall his understanding was very strong

2019-07-17 02:29:07 UTC  

Didn't he also say, 'No plan, no matter how well devised, survives contact with the enemy'?

2019-07-17 02:35:58 UTC  

Clausewitz was also good

2019-07-17 02:50:37 UTC  

YEs that was Clausewitz. I think this is why our army has a saying, "amateurs think about tactics, pros think about logistics" because logistics is one part of the planning you can (hopefully) do without giving the enemy a vote.

2019-07-17 03:02:20 UTC  

And the axis geologically had bad logistics

2019-07-17 03:02:29 UTC  

and never really cared about it too

2019-07-17 03:09:11 UTC  

To an extent, they kind of couldn't afford to. Which reveals how bad of a position they were really in to begin with.

2019-07-17 03:09:18 UTC  

Like, for instance, in terms of access to fuels.

2019-07-17 03:09:42 UTC  

One of the reasons for the recklessness of their expansion was to try and secure access to fuel sources.

2019-07-17 03:16:34 UTC  

Logistics isn't solely about geography. But yeah the Nazis were shit at it regardless. I mean blitzkrieg makes sense when your opponent is close and there are lots of roads. Which is pretty much the polar opposite of, say, the greater Eurasian plains where your supply is mostly trains or horses.....

2019-07-17 03:17:47 UTC  

Exactly

2019-07-17 03:18:03 UTC  

But at the same time, Russia was an enemy that couldn't be ignored.

2019-07-17 03:18:31 UTC  

It was a really fucked position to even start out in.

2019-07-17 03:18:57 UTC  

🤦 Russia was their ally for most of the war.....

2019-07-17 03:19:50 UTC  

German intelligence believed that Russia was planning to turn on them, and so they launched a preemptive attack. Later declassified historical documents from Russia revealed, they were *right.*

2019-07-17 03:20:13 UTC  

Russia *was* planning to attack Germany, and Germany just beat them to the punch.

2019-07-17 03:22:29 UTC  

Umm, no. Stalin actually dismissed the intelligence officer who claimed Hitler was going to attack. He really overestimated their logistic acumen. And that's from the Kremlin archives. There were train cars of oil headed from Bakut to Germany when Barbarossa started.

2019-07-17 03:24:03 UTC  

What you have to recognize is that the axis wasn't very good as an alliance. They were basically lying to each other half the time.

2019-07-17 03:25:46 UTC  

I forget the source, I read it a while back. But basically, they were both preparing to betray each other, and Germany just acted first, while Russia still believed they had something to gain from delaying it.

2019-07-17 03:26:46 UTC  

And yeah, they weren't a very good alliance, very opportunistic.

2019-07-17 03:26:47 UTC  

Well my source is Kotkin who is basically writing the definitive biography on Stalin. I'd also add that Snyder draws a very similar picture.

2019-07-17 03:27:33 UTC  

I'd have to rediscover my source, before I could really compare notes.

2019-07-17 03:28:31 UTC  

But also, am I correct in assuming your position is that the Russians *had no* plans in place to betray Germany, prior to the German attack?

2019-07-17 03:31:44 UTC  

Yeah about the soviets were going to invade germany
that was bs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyANHGWbUHA

2019-07-17 03:31:44 UTC  

A big part of it comes down to the simple fact that Socialism, whether German or Russian, does not work very well. So they end up in a situation where they have to keep finding someone new to rob. So yeah sure they all probably had plans to shiv each other at some point. Just that the idea that Barbarossa was some brilliant spoiler attack for an imminent Bolshevik invasion is shite.

2019-07-17 03:32:40 UTC  

If Russia was planning an invasion that year they likely would have moved some troops that way or something.....

2019-07-17 03:35:16 UTC  

Forgive me if I take this source with a grain of salt