Message from @Hexidecimark
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Chad right-libertarians reign supremeeeeeee
We disagree about the mechanics of your concept... That is literally the base point of the discussion. OFC we disagree about it...
I'm telling u the concept is wrongheaded in that it obfuscates the real value system behind it and claims universality while obviously rejecting it, and u get mad at me because I don't think it should be used...
And you seem to default to tradition as a justification for it
Tradition is an internally *coherent* justification for God, not for a rationalist philosophical concept.
Why is the value system behind a right important if the right itself is beneficial
The entire point is the utility of controlling a governing body's actions by directly setting its scope
This requires no religious component unless you assume people saying 'this seems right based on what we know' is somehow religious in nature
because weather it is beneficial or not is defined by the value system
*whether
that is what you gage the effect of the right by
"beneficial" means: good as far as my value system is concerned
Okay, so then you would naturally still gain from rights, but the rights would be different
what?
gain what?
Scope creep is bad
I'm not following at all
You do not want scope creep
So you limit the scope
scope of wat?
scope of governmental bodies
if by analogous you mean something like "laws" then yes
the difference is that laws don;t make some claim to universality
Yeet
rights are a decalogue that is mutable
Mental gymnastics cancer
meaning it's not a decalogue
Then consider them laws for government
Because that is what they functionally *are*
cool, but then they are not some special cathegory
Correct
which is my point
All they are is laws
They are just distinct from laws in impact and scale
But they are effectively laws, yes
and laws need justification by some moral imperative
No, they do not
then ur laws are evil by definition
which is rather obviously a problem
I disagree with your values, you're just calling me different