but i find this interesting

brandon

incorrect

semitic peoples period show some relations to early europeans

as do early egyptians

not surprising

Well what colonies weren't?
It's simply a fact of life. Shit was shit.
That's why although it's highly convenient to do so I'm not terribly interested in the beating over the heads of commies with the various deaths caused by their socialist comrades.
Just address what's fundamentally true.
Putting lots of people who are different from one another always leads to conflict and conquest.
Hierarchy exists and is inevitably a part of human nature.
Violence is part of human nature.
So called Social constructs are naturally determined.
Despite being 13% of the population
Etc
That's enough justification for me to reject socialism and globalism without all the yeah but those chinky and Russian bastards killed a lotta people.

Well first

its primarily a meme

but the issue is the fundamental point is that at a certain point one can determine the logical end state of ideologies

as well as the repeated issues baked into the political application of it

If every single time it results in totalitarian governments , famine or lack of productivity

etc

at a certain point it becomes a valid critque against it and not just something you can wave your hand and say "well we promise we will do it right this time. Trust us ;))))

what you're getting at isn't true though

eastern bloc had higher levels of food security on average than capitalist countries at a similar level of development and developed at roughly the same rate

"totalitarianism" is probably an apt descriptor for marxism-leninism though

not so much socialism as a whole

but marxism-leninism has been the historically dominant socialist ideology

Wait wait "well we promise we will do it right this time"
So no famines caused under capitalist systems?
And then I just come back to wondering when does the Liberal state begin?
Before or after the slave trade?
Before or after the outlawing of homosexuality?
Before or after segregation and miscegenation laws?
And if the Liberal state isn't actually about individual liberty and freedom then I'm not sure why I should want it exactly.
Or is the argument that wasn't real Liberalism, real Liberalism hasn't been tried.

Death in june

okay first

outright calling in BS

First eastern germany ( for example ) started around same point as west germany after ww2

by 1990 eastern germany

no it didn't

which was by far the most productive of the bloc countries

it started out with less than half of west germany's gdp per capita

was 30 years behind the west

it grew a lot faster than the west and the gap was closing over time

once again

you are lying death

the rate at which the gap has been closing slowed down since eastern germany was incorporated into the modern german state

eastern germany due to war with soviets and allied bombing

i'm not

was actually ahead of west germany

Ritschl, A.; Vonyo, T. (17 April 2014). "The roots of economic failure: what explains East Germany's falling behind between 1945 and 1950?". European Review of Economic History. 18 (2): 166–184. doi:10.1093/ereh/heu004.

so once again

you lied

from 1950-1989 east germany's gdp per capita grew by 525% whereas west germany's grew by 334%

Source ?

give me a sec