Message from @Miniature Menace

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2019-08-03 03:06:45 UTC  

Like I said he borrows some of Marghulis's nuttier ideas. She did brilliant stuff on the evolution of eukreatic cells then smoked too much devils lettuce and came up with Gia Hypothesis.

2019-08-03 03:07:07 UTC  

Yeah, I'm not gonna pretend his concern is original.

2019-08-03 03:07:45 UTC  

Or even accurate....

2019-08-03 03:08:05 UTC  

My own position is that humanity has already passed that threshold. But rather than having our selection based on any single AI, it's based on a gestalt of many, as well as symbiotic with the kinds of technology we create.

2019-08-03 03:08:58 UTC  

Humanity invents hammers, but access to a hammer also transforms the dynamic of human prosperity, and which attributes are the most valuable, and by how much.

2019-08-03 03:10:21 UTC  

Widespread literacy almost certainly transformed human attributes long term. Selecting for people who could more easily become literate in societies where literacy had value. And it becomes *more* valuable the more things can be done with it, up until the point where people choose for whatever reason to subsidize the existence of the incurably illiterate.

2019-08-03 03:11:25 UTC  

If you want a better grasp on quantitative genetics, watch stuff by Sean Last, or Alternative Hypothesis (Ryan Faulk)

2019-08-03 03:11:33 UTC  

Sure we generally refer to these as cultural technologies. They are not unique to humans bout our species uses them to an exponentially higher degree.

2019-08-03 03:12:06 UTC  

If Last is as bad at it as Faulk I'll pass.

2019-08-03 03:12:13 UTC  

>as bad at

2019-08-03 03:12:50 UTC  

The data he refers to isn't even fringe.

2019-08-03 03:13:24 UTC  

What specifically is he "bad at"?

2019-08-03 03:13:26 UTC  

Faulk is a sperg who spent 8 years trying to invent his own theories because the real ones wouldn't say what he wanted them to.

2019-08-03 03:14:47 UTC  

You'll notice a common thread among evolutionist everywhere. Not a one of them is arace realist.

2019-08-03 03:14:51 UTC  

One of the few big errors Faulk made, he admitted to, and that was in regards to overnormalizing averages. Which are even still statistically and demographically effective. They're just a very blunt instrument of selection.

2019-08-03 03:15:08 UTC  

LOL

2019-08-03 03:15:18 UTC  

so, basically, you actually *haven't* watched his videos

2019-08-03 03:15:42 UTC  

He loathes to dignify your "funny hat" fetishism with a response, but he does provide a rebuttal.

2019-08-03 03:16:13 UTC  

Only a couple and that was enough to write him off. Possibly worse than Mollymeme.

2019-08-03 03:16:13 UTC  

Most of the biologists agree with *him* they just don't use the same explicit language he does most of the time, because the university system is often very progressive.

2019-08-03 03:16:49 UTC  

Maybe present an actual argument.

2019-08-03 03:16:51 UTC  

Kek. None of them do.

2019-08-03 03:17:02 UTC  

Then you really are poorly informed

2019-08-03 03:18:11 UTC  

This is like where building 7 shit ends up being holographic planes and cruise missiles. You have to invent a grand conspiracy because the only other alternative is that a basement dweller like Faulk simply doesn't know what he is talking about.

2019-08-03 03:18:47 UTC  

On numerous occasions, Faulk has gone over how "credible" the official authorities are on matters.

2019-08-03 03:19:02 UTC  

I don't know what evolutionary biologists are you comparing Faulk's work to? Because I've read most of them.

2019-08-03 03:19:06 UTC  

Providing data from other official sources to corroborate, even.

2019-08-03 03:19:34 UTC  

Which evolutionary biologist have you read? Also, how many biological anthropologists, and which?

2019-08-03 03:19:56 UTC  

Yes the man spends hours a day looking for data points to try and shoehorn into his narrative he's certainly dedicated. He just doen't know anything about the topic.

2019-08-03 03:20:13 UTC  

After having watched two of his videos?

2019-08-03 03:20:21 UTC  

Which two, might I ask?

2019-08-03 03:20:38 UTC  

I wish this server had a nerd chat

2019-08-03 03:20:50 UTC  

This whole server is a nerd chat.

2019-08-03 03:21:06 UTC  

dunno vro

2019-08-03 03:21:39 UTC  

Well the WIlsons obviously and Dawkins, a lot of Trivers Trivers is my spirit animal. I like Sopalsky. I think on cultural technologies (from our earlier conversation) Boyd and Richerson is a must-read.

2019-08-03 03:22:21 UTC  

And what arguments have they provided against race?

2019-08-03 03:22:30 UTC  

Oh and Hamilton Hamilton is foundational. From our other directuion yoiu could guess I've covered Marghulis.

2019-08-03 03:23:04 UTC  

Not many at all because they know it's not a significant phila.

2019-08-03 03:23:52 UTC  

Hell, what argument *can* be provided for anyone who is actually an evolutionary biologist, other than some definition based attack?

2019-08-03 03:24:30 UTC  

You have to understand Faulk doesn't get how evolutionary theory even works. So if it's something you study it sounds like a guy saying, "The aerospace engineers are wrong. If you look at **This** chart you will see we have to put the wings on *sideways*"

2019-08-03 03:24:50 UTC  

That's not an argument.