Message from @Miniature Menace

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2019-08-03 05:30:57 UTC  

Maybe some of it. But almost certainly not all of it. But then, if we're talking about specific regions which experienced dramatic demographic shifts from high violence populations, it's more likely that it was genetic.

2019-08-03 05:31:27 UTC  

So total calorie intake has been a consistent survival factor unlike the vaugaries of law.

2019-08-03 05:31:27 UTC  

For instance, taking 60,000 Somalis and putting them into a Midwestern town.

2019-08-03 05:32:29 UTC  

that calorie intake factor would have to presume the alternative from a specific food source is lethal starvation, or malnutrition to the point of primary or secondary infertility

2019-08-03 05:32:37 UTC  

Taking 60K Somalis and putting them into a midwest town was clearly a mistake. I was talking about evolution not culture. Don't change the subject.

2019-08-03 05:33:03 UTC  

Are somalis genetically identical to the dutch descended natives?

2019-08-03 05:33:38 UTC  

It was malnutrition or lack of estrus historically. Again caloric intake has been a major concern for human populations up until very recently.

2019-08-03 05:34:15 UTC  

You'd probably be surprised how little calories is survivable. And how many sources there are in many environments.

2019-08-03 05:34:43 UTC  

Especially if you're not surrounded by a concrete jungle, and are supporting a relatively small population.

2019-08-03 05:35:09 UTC  

And yes, starvation was a big concern. But milk wasn't the only food source, nor was it free of costs.

2019-08-03 05:35:36 UTC  

Kek. If you studied you would know you are arguing against gene-culture co-evolution as lactase persistence is the best case for it.

2019-08-03 05:36:47 UTC  

What exactly *are* you arguing? I'm just making the case that lactase persistence isn't a universally critical point of survival. Because it isn't.

2019-08-03 05:38:18 UTC  

It is not universally critical it only occurred a few places. It is however the best case study for gene-culture co-evolution and hence provides a baseline for where we can theorize that such evolution has occured.

2019-08-03 05:38:46 UTC  

There's also, as far as I can tell, no aggressive selection mechanism for its *elimination*

2019-08-03 05:38:49 UTC  

Specifically lactase persistence only occurs in pastoral cultures.

2019-08-03 05:39:39 UTC  

What is the argument then? Is it based on how quickly the trait proliferated in pastoral cultures?

2019-08-03 05:40:48 UTC  

In order to evaluate how typical this is, and whether it represents the absolute range of the transformation/adoption of traits, we'd need some kind of metric of how much more often people who weren't lactose tolerant *died* before reproducing. Or their relative fertility and mortality rates.

2019-08-03 05:40:53 UTC  

Do we have those?

2019-08-03 05:42:14 UTC  

Faulk is theorizing gene-culture co-evolution. To validate that hypothesis we must consider meotic drive in that context. The case of lactase persistence is a very high drive over a very short period. Faulk's hypothesis meets **neither** of those standards.

2019-08-03 05:43:09 UTC  

Comparing a single food source to the entire economy? And you're saying that a single food source should win out as the more exceptional selective pressure?

2019-08-03 05:46:20 UTC  

Because that's what Faulk is arguing. That the economic pressures selected for people who were, shockingly, more effective at navigating market systems for their benefit. So, traits like delayed gratification, long term planning, and anticipating the demands of others, would be very useful, and the subset of the population who exhibited those traits would stand to benefit more significantly from virtually every industry involved in that market.

2019-08-03 05:47:43 UTC  

Even assuming that over this period of time, all that happened is that the distribution of traits moved from an aggregate which just barely couldn't sustain a decentral market economy, to one which just barely could, this would have a tremendous impact.

2019-08-03 05:48:38 UTC  

Furthermore taking into account the active role the church often played in condemning and discouraging certain activities.

2019-08-03 05:50:17 UTC  

Hell, even the aggressive policing against consanguinity among commoners certainly played a role.

2019-08-03 05:54:19 UTC  

There's also the factor of manorialism, and how the lords would administrate their peasants and serfs, favoring certain characteristics, and hard work. And this would be done for generations.

2019-08-03 07:20:04 UTC  

@Miniature Menace
They're not even making the black Genocide subtle any more

2019-08-03 07:33:50 UTC  

@Jym I couldn't find the term "meotic", did you mean "meiotic"? I'm not being a smartass, just curious 😄

2019-08-03 09:48:46 UTC  

I’m still waiting for the day when the real alt right starts endorsing the democrats

2019-08-03 09:49:16 UTC  

For once they’d actually serve a use

2019-08-03 09:49:51 UTC  

We need Richard Spencer to get airtime on cnn and totally support them

2019-08-03 09:55:49 UTC  

There's legit a segment from Morrakiu, the dude who does "The Merchant Minute" where he argues, ironically, for supporting certain Liberal policies, because they result in conclusions that benefit the alt-right. It's called "agreeing with Liberals for all the wrong reasons"

2019-08-03 10:00:41 UTC  

It's not really a sincere argument most of the time, but rather an illustration of how much liberal policies actually fuck over liberal constituents more than if the far right won.

2019-08-03 10:01:35 UTC  

the left will never really be convinced by this argument, not only because it comes from evil right wingers, but because their definition of victory is pretty much just defined by how miserable they can make those they don't like, while extracting gibs from them

2019-08-03 10:01:56 UTC  

even if it makes them miserable, also

2019-08-03 10:04:04 UTC  

Anything that is not a gay space communist utopia is evil

2019-08-03 10:05:29 UTC  

was trying to find the song he did

2019-08-03 10:05:36 UTC  

but ended up finding this