Message from @Lêohte

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2019-08-03 22:50:01 UTC  

which does not invalidate the point

2019-08-03 22:50:15 UTC  

Like I wrote in my original wall of text it connects a lot of dots about contemporary politics and behaviours

2019-08-03 22:50:26 UTC  

just means he hasn't discussed it with many lefties to learn how to make it stronger against their efforts of delegitimizing it

2019-08-03 22:51:08 UTC  

If their efforts of delegitimizing it are bitching about not saying #notall that feels like they can't debunk it to me

2019-08-03 22:51:25 UTC  

We'll see if there's any large scale response soon

2019-08-03 22:51:28 UTC  

For instance he's taking the British national narrative as true in the historical sense (which it is manifestly not) instead of saying that it informs British thinking and self-image enough to be a social reality regardless of being a historical reality

2019-08-03 22:51:33 UTC  

English culture was very authoritarian in empire days

2019-08-03 22:52:03 UTC  

But as Sargon also stated it was these ideas that helped move Britain away from authoritarianism

2019-08-03 22:52:28 UTC  

We must find new lands from which we can easily obtain raw materials and at the same time exploit the cheap slave labor that is available from the natives of the colonies. The colonies would also provide a dumping ground for the surplus goods produced in our factories. Cecil Rhodes

2019-08-03 22:52:48 UTC  

Yes and?

2019-08-03 22:52:58 UTC  

I mean, I don;t even believe in the validity of the label "authoritarianism" tbh, so I cannot really comment on the validity of his stance on that without going into a rant

2019-08-03 22:52:59 UTC  

Having read the histories of other countries, I saw that expansion was everything, and that the world's surface being limited, the great object of present humanity should be to take as much of the world as it possibly could. Cecil Rhodes

2019-08-03 22:53:07 UTC  

Yes and?

2019-08-03 22:53:10 UTC  

Rhodes was woke

2019-08-03 22:53:33 UTC  

And having these ideas meant Britain moved away faster from Rhodes' ideas than they otherwise would have

2019-08-03 22:53:34 UTC  

I contend that we are the finest race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race. Just fancy those parts that are at present inhabited by the most despicable specimens of human beings what an alteration there would be if they were brought under Anglo-Saxon influence, look again at the extra employment a new country added to our dominions gives.

Cecil Rhodes

2019-08-03 22:53:42 UTC  

Like being one of the first to abolish slavery

2019-08-03 22:53:49 UTC  

And pushing for its abolishment worldwide

2019-08-03 22:53:56 UTC  

Empire was racial IMO

2019-08-03 22:54:03 UTC  

And?

2019-08-03 22:54:09 UTC  

and a living exhibition of Anglo supremacism

2019-08-03 22:54:16 UTC  

You say that like having an idea means you have to get it right from the first year of your existence

2019-08-03 22:54:21 UTC  

That's not how things work

2019-08-03 22:54:24 UTC  

It ended up being racial

2019-08-03 22:54:24 UTC  

England hasnt always been a bastion of tolerance etc

2019-08-03 22:54:27 UTC  

britain pushed for the abolishment of slavery when she could profit from it, dont make it seem like they gave a shit

2019-08-03 22:54:34 UTC  

about the slaves

2019-08-03 22:54:38 UTC  

Noone said they've been a bastion of tolerance

2019-08-03 22:54:39 UTC  

it wasn;t particularly racial at its onset

2019-08-03 22:54:52 UTC  

It was

2019-08-03 22:55:00 UTC  

the early colonial efforts were more religiously rationalized then anything else

2019-08-03 22:55:11 UTC  

Yeah to civilise the savages

2019-08-03 22:55:15 UTC  

spread of the true faith and whatnot

2019-08-03 22:55:17 UTC  

which is a racial idea

2019-08-03 22:55:21 UTC  

is it?

2019-08-03 22:55:27 UTC  

' cultural ' id say

2019-08-03 22:55:30 UTC  

lol

2019-08-03 22:55:31 UTC  

It is imperialist not racist

2019-08-03 22:55:33 UTC  

it;s a religious idea

2019-08-03 22:55:41 UTC  

which was tied to people

2019-08-03 22:55:44 UTC  

it's a religious legitimization of conquest