your perception of yourself by nature is affected by others perception of you

Not always, no.

These people clearly don't see it that way.

Very clearly.

they absolutely do

No, no they don't.

by the very existence of the Tribunal @D3bug_logic is refering to

They see themselves as in the wrong body.

@Weez you clearly stated that sucides in transcommunity is based on perceptions, and now are denying them

if they didn't, it wouldn't need to have done what it has

Society doesn't care about them.

here we go

THEY, have the issues with themselves.

b.c soceity doesnt care about them thats why they have issues

>society doesn't care about them
>we have tribunals that outlaw misgendering
pick 1

Tribunals are a separate issue

As stated before

b.c you say so but you also want them to be there to support transgender therapy

I feel like I'm in that patrick comic atm

I'd like to see that

lol

Personally

Weez argument is inconsistent

It's not.

>society doesn't care about them
>we have tribunals that outlaw misgendering
pick 1

>Conflating two different issues

>Still

>After we've been over this

Weez argument only makes sense if you think that a person's self understanding is completely disconnected from society

that's the only way I can see it making sense

And the societal support was in regards to the post OP.

Not pre.

Transgender people need to be re-afferened as the sex they want, there need not be any social structure to reinforce that
Also the jews in holocaust had support structure that prevented high suicide but trans people dont

They don't *need* to be

so when someone that was a male b.c a female everyone needs to pretend they are a female or?

but there should be?

They don't *need* to

but there should be?

@D3bug_logic this argument is completely pointless as you and @Weez are not talking from the same underlying worldview

It might be considerate to treat them the way they want to be treated, if you care about them

AHHH here we go