Message from @Monstrous Moonshine

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2019-07-30 15:21:51 UTC  

My personal freedom doesnt include free access to someone elses property

2019-07-30 15:21:58 UTC  

Facebook is not owned by me

2019-07-30 15:22:10 UTC  

Even if we grant that people can adopt customs and cultures, nations have a right to preserve their sovereignty and pursue their own destiny

2019-07-30 15:22:14 UTC  

What about when access to that property is a de facto requirement for a high quality of life?

2019-07-30 15:22:26 UTC  

No one owes you high quality of life

2019-07-30 15:22:28 UTC  

And thus they can allow or disallow anyone they want

2019-07-30 15:22:43 UTC  

Ah, libertarian

2019-07-30 15:22:52 UTC  

Nations have no destiny, nations are simple groups of individuals

2019-07-30 15:23:07 UTC  

What is "destiny" anyway

2019-07-30 15:23:12 UTC  

Do you not think it's better for that group, that nation to have a higher quality of life?

2019-07-30 15:23:46 UTC  

It doesnt matter if it better if it was achived by fucking over someone's right for property

2019-07-30 15:24:00 UTC  

I would be better for me if everyone gave me $1000

2019-07-30 15:24:06 UTC  

let's force everyone to do so

2019-07-30 15:24:30 UTC  

If you were to replace all Japanese people with Somalis overnight, Japan would cease to exist

2019-07-30 15:24:37 UTC  

What about, if you lost a small portion of your autonomy, so that everyone else in the country has an increased quality of life?

2019-07-30 15:24:42 UTC  

Is that not something that interests you?

2019-07-30 15:24:45 UTC  

same shit

2019-07-30 15:24:58 UTC  

So of course nations do exist and have a destiny, it is how we have been evolved to function

2019-07-30 15:25:05 UTC  

I live for myself, not everyone else

2019-07-30 15:25:33 UTC  

What about, if I told you that a small loss of your autonomy could actually benefit you?

2019-07-30 15:25:33 UTC  

And yeah, I'm a statist if it comes to protecting the way of life of the nation

2019-07-30 15:25:46 UTC  

IE. Taxation.

2019-07-30 15:25:49 UTC  

It cant benefit me to be a parasite

2019-07-30 15:25:59 UTC  

But it can.

2019-07-30 15:26:03 UTC  

Taxation is unearned parasitism

2019-07-30 15:26:33 UTC  

What about when that money goes into improving your countrymen's lives. Making them more productive

2019-07-30 15:26:38 UTC  

Allowing them to generate more wealth

2019-07-30 15:26:41 UTC  

And grow the economy?

2019-07-30 15:26:58 UTC  

That would directly benefit you, would it not?

2019-07-30 15:27:04 UTC  

Doesnt matter

2019-07-30 15:27:15 UTC  

You defacto sign a social contract by living in a nation

2019-07-30 15:27:15 UTC  

A healthier workforce will be more productive, making more money

2019-07-30 15:27:25 UTC  

Social contract doesnt exists

2019-07-30 15:27:34 UTC  

You can live in a homestead if it suits you, outside of civilisation

2019-07-30 15:27:52 UTC  

oh, the good old "if you want reforms just leave!!1"

2019-07-30 15:28:19 UTC  

You can't, for instance, set up a company and generate unbridled pollution

2019-07-30 15:28:31 UTC  

How about you stop jerking off to other people's wallet and earn your own money

2019-07-30 15:28:35 UTC  

Because such actions are effecting the nation at large

2019-07-30 15:28:46 UTC  

It's not about earning money

2019-07-30 15:28:51 UTC  

What if a small loss from you causes a large increase for the economy

2019-07-30 15:28:54 UTC  

It is about subverting the nation