Message from @Jokerfaic

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2019-08-01 03:09:01 UTC  

So basically accusing Poland of being participatory in the holocaust is/was illegal. Sounds reasonable to me.

2019-08-01 03:09:30 UTC  

Its a retarded accusation to make, anyway.

2019-08-01 03:09:38 UTC  

>says who cares
>panties in a twist over it
<:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

2019-08-01 03:11:25 UTC  

1) Who cares about the other stuff unrelated to the holocaust I din't even mention because they are kinda separate and have to do with Ukraine, not the Jooz.
2) Specifically to accuse the "Polish Nation", which means then entirety of the polity as represented by its legal government at the time.

2019-08-01 03:11:51 UTC  

This is why autism is important in law, terms have very specific meanings

2019-08-01 03:11:52 UTC  

>wotmaniac makes a joke
>doom lays down the Serious Business™
all is right with the world

2019-08-01 03:12:08 UTC  

Yeah, like I said, an on-its-face false accusation

2019-08-01 03:12:39 UTC  

Go read what J-Post and Times of Israel think about that accusation. You might be surprised tbh...

2019-08-01 03:13:10 UTC  

Hi, have we met? I'm Jokerfaic, the guy who doesn't give a flying fuck what Israel thinks

2019-08-01 03:13:36 UTC  

Less so their state propaganda rags

2019-08-01 03:14:05 UTC  

dontcha know? in a free democracy (or what passes for one, as a general thing), every person is responsible for the idiocy of their politicians ..... at least, that's what i've been told

2019-08-01 03:14:25 UTC  

Das fine, but ppl still read them, and if you go speak to an Israeli, you'll quickly learn that the image of Polan during the war and in general tends to be very negative

2019-08-01 03:14:53 UTC  

To a rather ridiculous point

2019-08-01 03:15:01 UTC  

That's nice. When can we kick them off my tax-dollar-titty.

2019-08-01 03:15:31 UTC  

This is just one more reason on top of numerous

2019-08-01 03:15:34 UTC  

y? cuz couldn't kick hitler's ass?

2019-08-01 03:16:03 UTC  

Because France and Britain renegged on their alliance, don't forget

2019-08-01 03:16:05 UTC  

The narrative is that the Polish were happy to help the Germans kill the Jews

2019-08-01 03:16:25 UTC  

which obviously makes total sense

2019-08-01 03:16:46 UTC  

OSKAR

2019-08-01 03:16:48 UTC  

FUCKING

2019-08-01 03:16:52 UTC  

SCHINDLER

2019-08-01 03:16:56 UTC  

WOULD BEG TO DISAGREE

2019-08-01 03:16:57 UTC  

^correction: couldn't unilaterally resist the tug-o-war btween russia and germany.
seems legit <:thunk:462282216467333140>

2019-08-01 03:17:00 UTC  

and is why the Reich had to punish helping the Jews in Poland by the death penality often extended to direct family and/or neighbors

2019-08-01 03:17:15 UTC  

Schindler was German

2019-08-01 03:18:13 UTC  

Yes, but the factories and warehouses he leveraged to save jews were in Poland

2019-08-01 03:18:15 UTC  

What is true is that there was a distinct anti-Jewish sentiment in Poland before the war

2019-08-01 03:20:44 UTC  

What is also true that one of the most notable women activists in favor of deporting the Jews to some place other then Polan cofounded and coorganised an underground ring that smuggled hundreds of kids out of the Warsaw Ghetto. And she never changed her mind about the anti-semitism either. She though, to her deathbed, that Jews in Poland were a bad idea because they would never integrate into a modern nation-state and thus should leave.

2019-08-01 03:26:18 UTC  

tbh, "integrate or gtfo" is a legitimate sentiment

2019-08-01 03:26:44 UTC  

kinda, the Jews lived there for centuries at this point

2019-08-01 03:26:53 UTC  

otherwise, it's like, what's the point? u tryin to take over or someshit?

2019-08-01 03:27:14 UTC  

thing is they were overwhelmingly very orthodox

2019-08-01 03:27:42 UTC  

and Polan was by no means a sure horse to bet on

2019-08-01 03:28:25 UTC  

so it's unsurprising that, being religiously inclined to self-segregate, and under these circumstances, a lot of them didn't feel like learning Polish would be super-useful

2019-08-01 03:29:56 UTC  

On the other side of the issue, you have the Polish nationalists (and this is the early 20th century, nationalism is at its historic height) who by luck and some diplomatic maneuvering just got their country back after 125 years and were surrounded on 2 sides by recovering imperial powers who considered that territory their rightful clay

2019-08-01 03:30:26 UTC  

So that tended to create a "you're with us, or you're against us" kind of mentality, also rather understandably I think

2019-08-01 03:31:28 UTC  

very understandably

2019-08-01 03:31:48 UTC  

Plus, as much as this is ofc horrible anti-semitism, most orthodox Jews were just unwilling to even consider stopping to be medieval in their modes of social organization/way of life

2019-08-01 03:32:00 UTC  

just look at the orthodox Jews of modern Isael