Message from @Αγωνιζῆς

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2019-08-21 20:28:43 UTC  

STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AND FUCKING DO IT

https://pluralist.com/trump-birthright-citizenship

2019-08-21 20:32:45 UTC  

he'd need a constitutional amendment to do that, good luck with that😂

2019-08-21 20:34:14 UTC  

Can't he use an Executive Order to give other Executive orders the power to change the Constitution

2019-08-21 20:36:29 UTC  

ha, if that was the case Obama would have used it😂

2019-08-21 20:37:00 UTC  

you would be giving the president full control over the complete US constitution

2019-08-21 20:40:17 UTC  

*Except* .... "birthright citizenship" is a *__Court Opinion/Interpretation__* of the 14th amendment. a different court could very well have a different interpretation.

2019-08-21 20:40:27 UTC  

Executive Orders are like laws but only applying to the government, so no he can't issue it and expect it to apply to the general public.

2019-08-21 20:41:00 UTC  

... especially from a constructionist/originalist lens

2019-08-21 20:41:38 UTC  

bruh what are you talking about

2019-08-21 20:41:49 UTC  

the fourteenth amendment is quite clear

2019-08-21 20:42:07 UTC  

so is "shall not be infringed" but here we are

2019-08-21 20:42:53 UTC  

hey, cant declare something unconstitutional if it never reaches the supreme court🤷

2019-08-21 20:43:48 UTC  

It's like the supreme court never had any power to begin with

2019-08-21 20:44:38 UTC  

shhh, thats a secret you shouldn't spout around like that😉

2019-08-21 20:56:57 UTC  

lel

2019-08-21 20:57:48 UTC  

i know this was intended to discourage family units from crossing the border, but honestly the detention facilities they describe probably sound really appealing to third-worlders

2019-08-21 20:58:10 UTC  

does prison sound appealing to you?

2019-08-21 20:58:28 UTC  

It's not prison because they don't use their labor to make things at a discount

2019-08-21 20:58:36 UTC  

wat

2019-08-21 20:58:47 UTC  

tf defenition of prison is that

2019-08-21 20:58:47 UTC  

<:smugon:512048583806025739>

2019-08-21 20:58:50 UTC  

well, i wouldn't have to work and i'd have room and board forever, with medical care, child care, entertainment, etc.

2019-08-21 20:58:50 UTC  

lol

2019-08-21 20:59:20 UTC  

ye but you would not be able to own property, make choises about your life, find work

2019-08-21 20:59:21 UTC  

if i was from el salvador that'd be a pretty good deal

2019-08-21 20:59:43 UTC  

not like el salvadorans can own property, make choices, find work, etc

2019-08-21 20:59:43 UTC  

meh, to each his own i guess😄

2019-08-21 21:00:13 UTC  

own anything nicer than a tin shack and the gangs will kill you for it.

2019-08-21 21:00:48 UTC  

probably ye😂

2019-08-21 21:00:53 UTC  

some of them might just come for the free medical care. stay long enough to get cured then go home.

2019-08-21 21:01:19 UTC  

It's not a permanent living situation and they don't really understand the process so it's a big gamble for some

2019-08-21 21:01:28 UTC  

maybe squeeze out a few more kids in captivity and use them as anchor babies.

2019-08-21 21:01:44 UTC  

Unless they get an abortion

2019-08-21 21:01:55 UTC  

We could do forced abortions like the Chinese

2019-08-21 21:02:24 UTC  

Not like anyone cares about what China does

2019-08-21 21:02:33 UTC  

true true

2019-08-21 21:02:49 UTC  

alternatively, we could just say "go the fuck home" and kick them out.

2019-08-21 21:03:15 UTC  

this elaborate system of detention facilities and hearings is a farce

2019-08-21 21:05:00 UTC  

kick them where? the Mexican border? or shipping them back to the other countries?

2019-08-21 21:05:18 UTC  

Back over the border you nonce