Message from @Nevis

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2019-08-23 01:52:38 UTC  

So
Eh, I can see it going too far with it later on
Again, I am withholding further judgment for time being, considering that we have seen only a small portion of it

2019-08-23 01:53:32 UTC  

is the zootopia abortion comic too spicy for this server?

2019-08-23 01:53:49 UTC  

The heck

2019-08-23 01:53:54 UTC  

I'm less familiar specifically with how it operated in romania, but in elsewhere, the church tended to be pretty tolerant of scientists and such. The main ones who the church came down on, it was more a consequence of something equivalent to insubordination, rather than any specific thing they said regarding the natural world.

2019-08-23 01:53:59 UTC  

Funny thing though, medical knowledge known since paganism in the area was tolerated while knowledge from ancient greece and rome were not

2019-08-23 01:54:39 UTC  

Wallachia was literally the frontline against Turkish invasion at that point in time

2019-08-23 01:54:40 UTC  

Like, making assertions that theories which didn't conform to canon were absolutely and indisputably true, while mocking the pope, and calling him a stupid head.

2019-08-23 01:54:45 UTC  

Though the 4 humors were still practiced as the church approved of it

2019-08-23 01:54:48 UTC  

Publicly

2019-08-23 01:55:28 UTC  

By contrast, elsewhere, Europe was actually opening up more to alternative ideas, science and the like at the time

2019-08-23 01:55:42 UTC  

They didn't have to fight Turks

2019-08-23 01:55:49 UTC  

And even then, they didn't generally *burn* the books containing those theories. Because they were still fascinating and useful, even while punishing the people who made them for defying the church.

2019-08-23 01:56:00 UTC  

Not true

2019-08-23 01:56:20 UTC  

Yeah, and the late 15th century and early 16th is when the Italian Renaissance got into swing

2019-08-23 01:56:27 UTC  

Ideas began taking route

2019-08-23 01:56:43 UTC  

Book burnings are responsible for great loss of knowledge during the proverbial dark ages

2019-08-23 01:57:20 UTC  

I mean
The Catholics burnt _people_ for such during the Catholic-Protestant wars

2019-08-23 01:57:37 UTC  

are we still discussing Castlevania?

2019-08-23 01:57:42 UTC  

Kinda

2019-08-23 01:57:54 UTC  

They locked people up for suggesting the universe was infinite and didn't revolve around the earth

2019-08-23 01:58:05 UTC  

Discussing the context surrounding it and possibly explaining some of its questionable elements

2019-08-23 01:58:10 UTC  

Which specific examples are you using?

2019-08-23 01:58:21 UTC  

Some fag named Bruno

2019-08-23 01:58:43 UTC  

Because some are often misinformed. There's generally a lot of nuance involved. Lot of political stuff going on, power struggles.

2019-08-23 01:59:14 UTC  

And as I said, there are many heretical works which they nevertheless preserved in the Vatican archives.

2019-08-23 01:59:18 UTC  

>The universe is infinite
>Challenges political power
What

2019-08-23 01:59:29 UTC  

No, there's other shit these people often did.

2019-08-23 01:59:42 UTC  

In Castlevania it's summarized simply as, in that iteration of the story, that yes the Catholic church in all of them is indeed the "badguy" who typically starts shit with dracula. The Generic basics though is that the Monster hunting order was literally wiped out by dracula. The Belmonts, on the other hand, were family friends of dracula before he became dracula in the original and only killed dracula for killing belmont's bride to be.

In the reboots, dracula was a belmont who became a vampire after killing the lords of darkness and the family kept it a secret and kills vampires and monsters in a fictional world where they're labeled as heretics for acknowledging their existence.

2019-08-23 01:59:56 UTC  

Tl:dr - in all castlevania's the catholic church are backstabbing pricks

2019-08-23 02:00:21 UTC  

Like instances of them being a total sperg, and insulting the church directly when cautioned not assert their models as proven truth.

2019-08-23 02:00:26 UTC  

and the setting is "Advanced" medieval europe due to the scavenging and use of Dracula's advanced technology he gained through a mix of Occultism and advanced mathematics

2019-08-23 02:00:45 UTC  

only in the sense of Dracula's shit though

2019-08-23 02:00:57 UTC  

@KaiserDoom we're talking the netflix show

2019-08-23 02:01:06 UTC  

You could get away with quite a lot, as long as you didn't frame your theories as "this is how things are" and instead as "hey, here's an interesting idea, and I think it's consistent with observations"

2019-08-23 02:01:19 UTC  

Netflix show wise, its a blend of the original story and the reboots lore wise

2019-08-23 02:01:39 UTC  

except in this case, dracula goes on a rampage for his wife being directly killed by the church rather than satan.

2019-08-23 02:01:54 UTC  

Well

2019-08-23 02:02:02 UTC  

Almost same premise for the 2nd castlevania reboot

2019-08-23 02:02:06 UTC  

In the Netflix one he was never a friend nor a belmontand the church drove the belmonts out

2019-08-23 02:02:14 UTC  

_Especially_ considering that demon's speech to the bishop

2019-08-23 02:02:17 UTC  

That's old canon