essentially, mass automation is incompatible with a healthy version of capitalism.

You say that like you can forsee the future

You say that like you didn’t look at the past

There are absolutely healthy capitalist options that involve mass automation

And therein lies the problem with both UBI and minimum wage. When you establish these things through law, then you establish a baseline. Which makes it very easy for corporations to raise and lower their prices accordingly. Just enough so the average consumer can afford it, but still keeping it high enough that you effctively get away with as much profit as possible (and indirectly hampering the purchasing power of the average consumer)

Literally Red is making a marxist argument

Marx argued that industrialization would destroy the viability of capitalism on a fundamental level

Ye and where do those people end up when they don’t fit neatly into that automated field?

In any number of fields that have yet to be automated

Ye ok sure.

In any number of jobs that support automation

Look at the trends currently, I'm not making a marxist argument, but the economic gap is partially due to run away capitalism.

It's due to runaway corporatism

Which sure is a form of capitalism but a distinct one

apply mass automation, boom, oligarchy to the extreme

And you think that automation is being encouraged by capitalism

Again, that's exactly what Marx argued

Or by corporations?

I think that it's a natural evolution of technology that is irresistible (just as industrialization was)

I think most people can recognize and understand that there is a layer of predatory capitalism in the world

And that corporations see the writing on the wall and want to get ahead of it

If you leave it to its devices

You can absolutely maintain a healthy version of capitalism if you force its hand, but currently all signs indicate oligarchy. You don't counter with Marxism, not sure why you think I am, that's childish.

Sure, that's why a healthy capitalistic system requires checks and balances to prevent corporate takeover and consumer/worker abuse

@Redxl That may be so. But my point is that neither UBI nor increased minimum wage will ever solve that particular issue. Introduce UBI and the capitalists will just raise the prices to "fit" the UBI, leaving the average consumer with pretty much the same purchasing power as before (salaries will also probably be adjusted accordingly). Raise the minimum wage, and they'll do the same thing.

And i'm not just talking about the companies selling DVD's, this will happen with ALL of them.

I'm not saying you're a marxist kek, try to read better my friend

And there really isn’t a check to automation it’s just assumed it’s innately a good thing

I said you're making the same fundamental argument that Marx did on the evils of industrialization and why we needed to switch to communism before the industrial machines made everyone inextricably poor

i don't think rises in price necessarily correspond 1:1 to minimum wage increases

That the trucker who lost his job will be the drone pilot next or something

automation itself isn't good or bad, it's just a force, a tool

Both UBI and increases to minimum wage are basically just political red herrings. It's a talking point for ambitious politicians who want to make it seem like they're gonna make things better "for the little guy", but in the end all it does is maintaining the status quo for the little guy and his purchasing power.

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@Seven Proxies lol, that's exactly what I argued, "UBI will merely increase the baseline"

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And we don’t have to let it dominate us or innately be forced to accept it

Yall Rock just so you know

We control the machines not the other way around

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