irrelevant

point is that it is a closed-loop

@ManAnimal Okay then, if you think that gmail or discord makes most of their money from their users buying things from then then I guess you could make that argument. But we'd have to look at actual sales figures to be sure.

if no one has any money, if people don't use discord of gmail, then those companies also go broke

it's a problem with the concept of 'dollar voting'

@ManAnimal You're catching on, young padawan 😉

it doesn't work without compartmentalization due to interdependancy

If we, the users don't have money to spend, then there's no profit to be had for the advertisers who want to advertise to us to buy their shit.

"You’re not sure if you absorbed any of that as magicka, but it did heal your cuts and poison ivy. You ask if it cured your alcoholism as well, but she tells you no, they don’t really have a thing for that yet."

true; that is also further complicated because it is very hard to quanitfy how ad revenue translates to actual sales

most firms treat advertising as just 'a cost of doing buisness' and will spend on it whether it pays off or not

@ManAnimal Now you've got to ask yourself, do you think the majority of users on discord or gmail are wealthy captains of industry or heirs to millionaires with huge sums of money to spend?

Personally I don't think so. The vast majority are people with pretty regular jobs. Jobs that can and will eventually be automated.

If their incomes go, then so does the reason for advertisers to pay discord and gmail money for their data and the ad-spots.

That's always the conundrum to consider

same with FB, Seven

it's 'salt lick in the woods' meant to simply keep tabs on the animals that come by and take a bite

@ManAnimal I agree, it is hard to quantify. Personally I actually consider it sort of a "capitalist religion". Advertisers are basically the religious snake oil salesmen who promise an increase in sales with their recipe of marketing campaigns. But none of them can really prove that their work actually increase sales at all (or that a lack of a flashy, expensive marketing campaign would DECREASE sales)

more like 'demand religion'

But the "faith" in advertisement is so strong in most markets, that the advertisement industry can survive on faith alone it seems.

Gillett!

lol

Sup

Red

FUCK

that goes back to the first thing i was saying about China. Capitalism requires the suppliers and consumers be under the same umbrella

https://tenor.com/view/beardeddragon-later-bailing-haulingass-runaway-gif-9016537

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when this is true, workers benefit as much as suppliers

@Redxl

but anymore, all the supply is abroad and the consumers domestic

I have to go as well. But it's been an interesting chat.

Later my dudes

everything is 'demand side'

later, Seven

sadness

I don't really go, livid just fucks me up with his surprise entry

lol

dude is creepy as fuck, with his rat claw hands, pasty skin.

interesting chats since lunch; last one was on 'mental health'

Ya today isn't so bad

there is something wrong with Livid

Really? Like what

that isn't saying much, but you know what i mean