@RooHappeh I don't think the state should be doing welfare at all.

ever

The best would be increasing social cohesion

local communities can handle that best.

Well, then it's not welfare but charity

Politics < polydicks

if someone in the local community is shunned and no one wants to help them, well they shouldn't have been a piece of shit in their community

for perspective, I admire the amish

Welfare kinda implies state

oops

@Acridian - Full agreement there. I'm from Britbongistan. I know 2 families that have been on welfare for 3 generations. That's three generations of families that have never worked.

I stand corrected @RooHappeh

The only welfare that government could do is providing job c:

@RooHappeh I don't like the state giving anyone anything for "Free". that only makes people more lazy in my experience

@RooHappeh - And there's the birth of middle management.

and if they can't afford to feed their own children then they shouldn't have them

As much as most people think that stuff should be fully privatized, I think that it is possible to make governmental investments

But subsidies should be prohibited

If it's not bringing profit

It shouldn't exist

bailouts are evil

^ look at Iceland and the bankers

it's almost like with the religions that allow you to repent no matter what you've done. no incentive to not do it in the first place if you're just going to be bailed out

no reason to try harder to be profitable and streamlined

However I have no issue with government investing into industry given they expect it to be profitable

investing yes

Consider this, if you were managing your company the way government manages itself

I'm talking about when an industry is tanking because of bad business management or embezzlement situations

You would go bankrupt within 2 years

yeah

And to jail in some places

Mismanagement is crime in some countries

I know for sure it is here :s

I suppose I don't like free-loaders of any variety, morally, financially, etc

people need to pull their own weight in some form or another, I understand there are people incapable of that and I'm not sure what to do with them that doesn't make me into a monster

Again

Social cohesion up

And those issues

Solve themselves

my step-son is severely mentally retarded and so he would be one of those incapable of providing for himself in anything but very basic manual labor

Picking and moving heavy boxes sort of work then?