Message from @pwtdo

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2019-11-20 15:05:29 UTC  

This is not okay, why the fuck do our education and prison programs look so similar.

2019-11-20 15:20:16 UTC  

If I had to guess, it's because for-profit prisons want more inmates in their cells, so they lobby for things like mandatory minimum sentencing and treating students like prisoners.

2019-11-20 15:44:35 UTC  

i can think of scenarios where such a room would be necessary. some kids are completely feral, and their parents (more often parent) are usually the cause of it.

2019-11-20 15:45:37 UTC  

if the kid is not going to listen to anything you say, is making it completely impossible to teach, and the parent is unwilling/unable to come get them, what do you do?

2019-11-20 15:46:08 UTC  

can't touch them in the slightest without the teacher facing a potential lawsuit.

2019-11-20 15:46:24 UTC  

even physically dragging them to this room is risky from a legal standpoint.

2019-11-20 15:48:56 UTC  

obviously it shouldn't be used for everything, and the example of spilling milk is so extreme as to make me doubt the veracity of that claim, but there are cases where simply wagging a finger at the kid and speaking sternly isn't going to do shit.

2019-11-20 15:59:15 UTC  

Like, why not just expell students that don't behave? I almost got expelled from secondary school just because I missed out a few classes.

2019-11-20 16:00:03 UTC  

i don't really know how it works, but perhaps expelling students makes the school's performance rating decline, jeopardizing funding.

2019-11-20 16:00:19 UTC  

And by almost I mean I was a few missed classes away from expulsion, but on purpose (why not use up the ones I have left)?

2019-11-20 16:00:31 UTC  

Man, fuck money.

2019-11-20 16:00:33 UTC  

there might also be a civil rights lawsuit in expelling someone

2019-11-20 16:00:36 UTC  

That's the problem.

2019-11-20 16:00:41 UTC  

depending on the state

2019-11-20 16:01:40 UTC  

they can just claim their feral monster is disabled somehow

2019-11-20 16:01:41 UTC  

I mean I get it, if a kid is throwing a tantrum the. The best thing you can do is say if you want to be treated like an adult you need to act like an adult and then ignore them until the can speak calmly. But obviously this has been getting used as a go to punishment because it's seen as "non harmful" to kids. Which it is if it is only used when it's necessary.

2019-11-20 16:02:16 UTC  

if it's obviously being abused, that's a problem. but realistically i think such a facility makes sense.

2019-11-20 16:02:38 UTC  

because you can't have some screeching violent little shit stopping everyone else from learning

2019-11-20 16:03:33 UTC  

Having a specified room for it is kinda bullshit tho, it shouldn't be so common a punishment that it can't make do with the odd empty classroom

2019-11-20 16:04:07 UTC  

the problem there is that the child can hurt themselves with whatever is in the classroom, and the faculty is responsible.

2019-11-20 16:04:20 UTC  

and they don't have the spare faculty to waste babysitting the little shit

2019-11-20 16:04:20 UTC  

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2019-11-20 16:04:28 UTC  

They can fucking wait it out in the hallways.

2019-11-20 16:04:34 UTC  

^

2019-11-20 16:04:44 UTC  

even if they did babysit them, what can you do to stop them from destroying shit? can't touch them.

2019-11-20 16:05:07 UTC  

put them in the hallway and they'll just start roaming around destroying shit and barging into other classes.

2019-11-20 16:05:25 UTC  

you guys need to think of worst case scenarios here, because they happen more often than you'd think

2019-11-20 16:05:40 UTC  

@pwtdo There's a solution for people who don't take that calmly, and it's called "fuck you, we're done".

2019-11-20 16:05:42 UTC  

some of these kids are worse than monkeys

2019-11-20 16:05:51 UTC  

If they're that much of a little shit then I'd be happy to get some precedence that the parents are responsible not the school

2019-11-20 16:05:54 UTC  

Just chuck them out.

2019-11-20 16:06:08 UTC  

you can't chuck them out. civil rights.

2019-11-20 16:06:15 UTC  

Fuc their rights.

2019-11-20 16:06:28 UTC  

we've created, piece by piece, and impossible scenario

2019-11-20 16:06:30 UTC  

Your right to education cannot be upheld if you're a prick

2019-11-20 16:06:52 UTC  

Therefore, being a prick voids your right to education.

2019-11-20 16:07:01 UTC  

It's that fucking simple.

2019-11-20 16:07:49 UTC  

tell that to the ACLU and all the lefty lawyers salivating at the prospect of suing your school district

2019-11-20 16:08:26 UTC  

Tell that to Trump and get him to pass a fucking executive if you think you can't deal with those spergs.

2019-11-20 16:08:56 UTC  

"nationwide injunction" says the hawaiian judge