Message from @Arrias

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2019-11-05 17:51:06 UTC  

Atheists are not a monolith, and just because some atheists claim that it's all about the belief in god and nothing else doesn't make it so

2019-11-05 17:56:15 UTC  

When you press any self-professed atheist on whether the supernatural exists or not, and if they say "yes it does", and you ask them to prove it, they'll all admit "I can't"
If you keep pressing, then this is the point where they start to relativize their belief in the supernatural, because they experience what is known as "cognitive dissonance", which is the discomfort felt by someone from the realization that they hold two conflicting beliefs.
1) I believe the supernatural exists
2) I don't believe God exists
The reason why those believes are conflicting is because it makes no rational sense to believe one, but not the other. If you believe in the supernatural then you must also at least be open to the idea that God also exists, because from a purely logical, reasoned point of view there's no difference between those two. If the supernatural exists, then it must also be possible that God exists, and there's no logical reason to say that "God does not exist"
Hence agnostic atheists sprung into existence, who say "I don't believe in God, but I can't prove that he doesn't exist". The reason this happen is, as explained, the self-professed atheists who do believe in the supernatural couldn't argue their way around the described problem.

2019-11-05 17:57:12 UTC  

This is when the atheist camp split. It split into those who argued that their peers who believe in the supernatural are just inconsistent in their reasoning, to which I fully agree.

2019-11-05 17:57:34 UTC  

Shock and horror, not all atheists agree with each other

2019-11-05 17:58:59 UTC  

so you're saying that atheists can believe in the supernatural?

2019-11-05 17:59:11 UTC  

No, I'm saying they're liars

2019-11-05 17:59:19 UTC  

you're so adorable

2019-11-05 17:59:31 UTC  

It's impossible for an atheist to believe in the supernatural, because it's completely inconsistent with the foundation of atheist thought

2019-11-05 17:59:54 UTC  

you're conflating Atheist with Materialist

2019-11-05 17:59:54 UTC  

Either they
A) believe in the supernatural
B) are atheists
Noth both

2019-11-05 18:00:04 UTC  

What?

2019-11-05 18:00:25 UTC  

Atheist = there is no god
Materialist = there is no spiritual/supernatural

2019-11-05 18:00:38 UTC  

And?

2019-11-05 18:00:54 UTC  

How many more times do I need to explain this

2019-11-05 18:01:02 UTC  

Atheists who claim they believe in the supernatural are not atheists

2019-11-05 18:01:07 UTC  

They're liars

2019-11-05 18:01:17 UTC  

please, do me a favor

2019-11-05 18:01:24 UTC  

go find the nearest university

2019-11-05 18:01:29 UTC  

Do you know the definition of "supernatural"?

2019-11-05 18:01:33 UTC  

because your level of stupidity needs to be studied

2019-11-05 18:01:39 UTC  

because it honestly borders on the supernatural

2019-11-05 18:01:45 UTC  

Explain to me what "supernatural" means

2019-11-05 18:01:51 UTC  

I think honestly you are evidence of a godlike power

2019-11-05 18:01:59 UTC  

Are you going to dodge the question?=

2019-11-05 18:02:00 UTC  

because natural selection should have eliminated you by now

2019-11-05 18:02:08 UTC  

So you're going to dodge the question then?

2019-11-05 18:02:11 UTC  

not at all

2019-11-05 18:02:15 UTC  

Go ahead then

2019-11-05 18:02:36 UTC  

something supernatural is something that defies our understanding of the natural world

2019-11-05 18:02:44 UTC  

this can be because we don't understand it yet

2019-11-05 18:02:48 UTC  

No, not true

2019-11-05 18:03:19 UTC  

but if we observed something like a ghost or spirit it would be "supernatural"

2019-11-05 18:03:23 UTC  

beyond the natural order

2019-11-05 18:03:23 UTC  

Wrong

2019-11-05 18:03:37 UTC  

Ghost sightings belong in the realm of the paranormal, not the supernatural

2019-11-05 18:03:48 UTC  

I explained this in great length in the last debate I had with whiic

2019-11-05 18:04:09 UTC  

The supernatural is an event or thing that is *impossible* to be explained using natural means

2019-11-05 18:04:18 UTC  

Literally impossible, you can't explain it no matter what

2019-11-05 18:04:26 UTC  

The paranormal however can be explained

2019-11-05 18:05:10 UTC  

This is why it's in the Christian teaching that trying to explain God is blasphemy

2019-11-05 18:05:20 UTC  

wat