just that... certain libertarian ideas fit better into a homogenous society... certain ones... but in a culturally diverse society... well none of them can fit into that system and work long term

@UnScottable I think Libertarian ideas, anything derived from Liberalism, ultimately is destined to end up where we are today. Its just what happens because others will take advantage of its gaping loopholes and exploit it against us. The kinds of system we were talking about previously that could replace the current order should not be some temporary bandaid to "fix it" then move on to another system, as soon as we move away from it we're back on track to the same destiny as before. Thats my take anyway.

I agree with you in so far as fitting those ideas into our current society

the libertarian ideas. to be specific

gib examples

of a libertarian idea?

of the type of situation you're referring to exactly

i think one reason why small government conservative liberalism is bad is because the "small government" ideal was predicated on a completely different set of circumstances

like someone like thomas jefferson was for a "small government" yes

basically im positing that something like legalizing marijuana... in our current multicultural society. Would not be desirable. Even though I myself use marijuana.. i dont think it should be legal in our current society. however... if our society was more homogenous then itd fit in better.

and the united states had that in the 18th century

but jefferson was also an outright anti-capitalist

he opposed generalized wage labor

thats just a quick example i could come up with on the fly i guess

might be a shit example

his small government beliefs were built on a foundation of a society made up of independent laborers

and that is what the united states was until the latter part of the 19th century

@UnScottable Oh, sure, personally I wouldn't want it legalized because its bad for our people but people who openly advocate for 3rd Pos like CT for example say they would have weed legalized but heavily restricted, doesn't see it as contradictory to his Fascistic world view

hm interesting

I wouldn't say that its inherently Libertarian

see i dnt want it legalized at all

personally... even though i use it a lot

i dont want to see it commodified and marketed.

i do kinda lean libertarian in the sense that i'm generally averse to criminalizing things that don't directly harm other people

right DiJ... unfortunately our current society.. doesnt need unlimited access to marijuana lol

though that is different from believing that cultural institutions should be normalizing or glorifying these things

"Harm" can be subjective though

and obviously that's not an absolute position

im conflicted in a lot of ways with religion because of things like this

like before i did a bunch of psychedelics. i was a devout atheist

you couldnt tell me anything

if the distribution of marijuana remains illegal i would still be inclined to think that consumption shouldn't be

i don't think that it's so harmful that it warrants legal action in that regard

but yet all the religious types say LSD and mushrooms and etc. are evil and the devil so im like... hmmmmm idk

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i feel without those experiences my world view would not be what it is today and id probably still like bernie sanders lol

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7672469/Cannabis-smokers-two-half-times-likely-suffer-stroke.html

i mean i know its not healthy lol

inhaling burnt plant matter is never healthy

That is why I personally would want it restricted, I don't particularly want my people killing themselves

i mean i guess in terms of priorities