It's 7:20 in the morning here

I think most people are asleep right now or just getting up

Well, it Saturday, so I expect friction later on.

So, now back to discussion.

It's still Friday here

@ETBrooD I thought you were referring to the green propaganda and teh consequences of it.

Well, we all know that this green propaganda is started by a small but vocal minority of far left activists, isn't it?

Green propaganda is a 20th century plague that hit the west when industrialism desperately needed some curbing

Thanks Al Gore

They were right, but as with most movements, eventually they were wrong about things

But the problem was, in people's perception the greens were right so often that they now had an ideological attachment to them

They weren't supposed to be wrong anymore

So when they were, no one noticed

Because it's easy to just use fear to make wild claims

I thought the green propaganda is nowadays closely associated with a small but vocal minority of communists and some anarchists who just want to curb all industries.

And may be even revert us a little bit technologically.

Actually western European countries are generally very green

Look no further than the Netherlands, which is one of the greenest countries

It's not a minority in western Europe, it's the population as a whole

We only woke up to reality when groups like PETA fucked up

Prior to that we lived in dreamland

Japan is quite green, they practically glow in the dark

Thing is that if they are allowed absolute reign they will eventually revert us back technologically.

That's my position.

They already have

Germany fell for it hook line and sinker

Modern economy just can't sustain itself on green energy only.

It's too expensive.

Yup

Btw

"Green" is just a smokescreen

It's not really green when it's less clean than nuclear 🙂

They don’t want “green energy”
Green energy is a means to an end.
The end is revolution.

They want red power

^

This is why I propose two different grips-one dirty but cheap, and the other one is for those who want to set up a personal example.

The extremists use the greens to their advantage, yes

If they want to show us the way, let them lead it.

But lead it by paying out of THEIR OWN POCKETS, not ours!

I understand what you're asking for, but I don't understand how you're going to get it done

People need convincing, and they won't be convinced on this