Message from @Death in June

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2019-09-24 05:10:34 UTC  

but yeah the "free market" as we describe it is not a traditional american value

2019-09-24 05:10:41 UTC  

neither the jeffersonians nor hamiltonians supported such a thing

2019-09-24 05:10:53 UTC  

jefferson was an outright anti-capitalist

2019-09-24 05:11:01 UTC  

opposing generalized wage labor

2019-09-24 05:11:17 UTC  

what would you support then? mixed economy?

2019-09-24 05:11:23 UTC  

I think it is completely in the spirit of classical American liberalism, so it is as conservative as it gets.

2019-09-24 05:12:20 UTC  

i would support a variant of national syndicalism

2019-09-24 05:13:09 UTC  

I would argue from a cultural standpoint free market liberalism is closer to the American core values than syndicalism.

2019-09-24 05:13:18 UTC  

i don't see why

2019-09-24 05:14:00 UTC  

Because it is quite literally build on the value of liberty which runs deep in all other aspects of the classical American cultural tradition.

2019-09-24 05:14:07 UTC  

free market to support competition and innovation, with some government balances in place to stop monopolies or cabals

2019-09-24 05:14:12 UTC  

small business oriented

2019-09-24 05:14:40 UTC  

Why won't you support the most liberal economic system out there when your entire culture is based on the idea of liberty?

2019-09-24 05:14:43 UTC  

the dominance of vast holdings of capital concentrated in private hands directly contravenes what the founding fathers advocated for

2019-09-24 05:15:18 UTC  

This is why there is anti-trust regulation.

2019-09-24 05:15:33 UTC  

There just must be someone willing to actually implement it.

2019-09-24 05:15:34 UTC  

it's not particularly useful

2019-09-24 05:15:54 UTC  

especially when we consider that economies of scale are a reality

2019-09-24 05:16:11 UTC  

Cause the power elites are corrupt, not because the legislation itself is in any way, shape or form wrong by default.

2019-09-24 05:16:13 UTC  

the centralized political power afforded by the concentration of production power into a single body is a reality

2019-09-24 05:16:36 UTC  

the only question is how it is to be organized

2019-09-24 05:16:59 UTC  

It is a reality which the disregard of laws made happen.

2019-09-24 05:17:12 UTC  

Just implement the laws that already exist.

2019-09-24 05:17:22 UTC  

You don't need a system change for that.

2019-09-24 05:17:22 UTC  

no it's a reality by virtue of technological progress dictating that this is what a state needs in order to stay competitive

2019-09-24 05:18:35 UTC  

You must very well know that capital concentration can be offset by lowering the entry requirements for an industry, right?

2019-09-24 05:18:55 UTC  

Just get back to the old ways by stripping down unnecessary regulation.

2019-09-24 05:19:11 UTC  

even if you lower the entry requirements you still have economies of scale to deal with

2019-09-24 05:19:17 UTC  

Which was put there by lobbyists at the first place.

2019-09-24 05:19:36 UTC  

And even in the economies of scale you can have competition.

2019-09-24 05:20:04 UTC  

Why there are Microsoft and Mac and Linux?

2019-09-24 05:20:12 UTC  

yes but you will also have capital concentrated into a centralized body, necessarily entailing the concentration of political power

2019-09-24 05:20:17 UTC  

Why there are Coca Cola and Pepsi?

2019-09-24 05:20:25 UTC  

Shall I continue?

2019-09-24 05:21:05 UTC  

I don't think that capital concentration should equal political power concentration.

2019-09-24 05:21:15 UTC  

it's not about should

2019-09-24 05:21:20 UTC  

The people can offset the process.

2019-09-24 05:21:40 UTC  

i don't think they can offset it anymore than in the short term without systemic change

2019-09-24 05:21:56 UTC  

If they are conscious enough of the ways Big Business is trying to buy legislation offering it protection.

2019-09-24 05:21:59 UTC  

in the long term political power is always used in service of propertied interests

2019-09-24 05:22:13 UTC  

control over resources is the primary determinant of political power