He’s a Eurasianist, he doesn’t believe Europe and Russia are the same civilization, he think he has more in common with the Muslim and Asian worlds

So the people are confused and do not know what to do.

Which is false, Slavic peoples are western. Christianity, their language is from Greece, they westernized before

They do not know what is next and this is why they would rather have him and his muslim sympathizers than accept help from the West!

This all started with the communists to distance themselves from NATO

It's partly your fault, too, I believe.

But ironically communism came from the western world

Communism, yet another bad idea that came from Europe.....

I'm not saying the KGB are right but if you hadn't lost your sh*ts with all these LGBQT whatever bunch and the muslims raping and killing in yours countries you could have been a raw model.

And now you are just a laughing stock for the KGB propaganda machine.

Russia is European through and through, Putin should stop denying the facts and reject this suicidal, genocidal, vicious rhetoric

@yordanyordanov I’d still would want Russia doing better than us

But it is this rhetoric that keeps him in power, can't you see it?

At least someone would be left standing

I know it is

That’s the sad part

Yeah @Snake

I don’t want Russia to die

It’s the last thing I want

The sad part is that when you f*cked up America inadvertently you f*cked up the rest of the world, too.

Cause you made everyone who sympathized with you cry.

Then you took away the little hope people in far worse places than you were in had that things can change, that things can be better, that there are solutions for their problems, that some people somewhere out there know the way.

Can you see my point?

Now all we have left are Islam or degeneracy.

Not much of a choice, is it?

We fuck up because we can *afford to*.

Well, then face the same choice as us all-islam or degeneracy, not much of a choice, huh?

No. OK when I was going on about demographics. The only place in the developed world without shit demography? The US. Grab any edgy atheist on this server and they will tell you we're more religious than any industrialized nation too. On several factors we are a freakishly odd country. But the way we do things lets us get away with shit other places can't.

No, it's not the US.

Actually it's Hungary.

Oh I thought you were still on the Yankee thing.....

You can't beat the Mag'yar at making babies. They will be the last ones to ever give up in Europe.

Well, I'm @Jym but I just don't want to embarass myself any more.

The discussion got too serious.

And too sad, too.

A 'good demography' is not just making babies. This might be a wall O' text but here goes...

I will wait.

Ok when you are young you spend money. Because you don't have anything yet so you go into debt. Car loans mortgages etc etc etc. You make less too because you don't have any skills yet. So young people generate consumption but also debt.

Middle aged people have more experience they earn more but they also save more. Which means they invest more (this is more true in the US most countries the majority of finance comes from banks. Most US finance is in the markets).

Then you retire and you have to like off of savings. Which means you want safe low-yield investments. Like T-Bills and CDs and the sort of thing that provides the equity to loan to the young people creating all that consumption lead growth.

So "lots of babies" if you don't have the demographics to supply their need for credit and goods is not helpful.

I think with our current levels of automation and advanced economy we can allow for it.

I mean any government centered on the wellbeing of its young will know better than let them sink into debt and not have babies.