Turkey doesn't benefit from being in NATO though..

The US has kicked them out of the F35 program, the US denied them Patriot for YEARS

They get art.5 as everyone else does

They've realised they're better off with someone else

I think there is more Russian involvement than what meets the eye

And that's why they're moving to Russias sphere.

Agreed, which needs to be stopped @RAM II

Pulling out of the ME will allow them to expand that influence

on no, Turkey can't get the _wonderful_ and _great_ failure of a plane that is F35. Whatever will they do.

Which is a bad thing for us.

Patriot as well? @leavethisbotnet

They were desperate to buy that for years

If we intervene with Russia we cause a whole different conflict

And you said no no no no no

So they bought elsewhere.

Patriot can't penetrate newest US stealth afaik

You're sanctioning them, so they'll get aid from elsewhere.

Let them

not at as long distances as S400 anyway

Do you understand how stealth works? @leavethisbotnet

quite well

It doesn't make an aircraft "invisible" forever

It makes it harder to detect that aircraft by radar

Meaning you need to be closer to it.

Why would they get Patriot, which is worse at detecting those planes than S400?

I know how it works

quite well, as I said

Because the Russians weren't offering it to them at the time..

And now they offered them the S400

And they're buying it

Lol

@Nathan James 123 Influence for what? Imports are 12-15% of our GDP and most of that is Canada and Mexico. We're one of the least connected economies on the planet.

Military influence abroad? Partners to work with abroad? Intelligence collaboration? Bases for ships? Airbases for aircraft? Power pojection.

Remove Mexico

Did you REALLY just ask that question? @Jym

Lmao

There's two kinds of power.

Economic

Hardpower (military) and softpower (economics)

The us was trying for both

As it should