or at the _very least_ it would be quite useful if they were at worst neutral

Purchase of S400, Turkish-Russian oil pipeline, Russian investments in Turkey, Turkish removal of Russia as an 'enemy'

Therein lies the problem. We built the international system to fight the cold war. We get nothing out of maintaining it now.

I know, but you'd be surprised at how many countries here are stupid & would blame america for everything. Typically "majority" of the population (from 30%-70%) suddenly outcry demanding america leave for our new overlords russia/china w/e @Nathan James 123

They openly state that they don't want to be part of one "party" or the other, you moron
they are not putting themselves explicitly with russa against EU/US

I say leave the Middle East to the ruskies

You do, you keep influence aboard which is beneficial. @Jym

Maybe they’ll fix this

That's a terrible idea.

Do you want them to have influence over 1/3 of the worlds oil? ...

It’s my only idea

Hello?

What?

Turkey is in a convenient spot between Russia and Europe, it makes perfect sense to play on both sides

Turkey doesn't benefit from being in NATO though..

The US has kicked them out of the F35 program, the US denied them Patriot for YEARS

They get art.5 as everyone else does

They've realised they're better off with someone else

I think there is more Russian involvement than what meets the eye

And that's why they're moving to Russias sphere.

Agreed, which needs to be stopped @RAM II

Pulling out of the ME will allow them to expand that influence

on no, Turkey can't get the _wonderful_ and _great_ failure of a plane that is F35. Whatever will they do.

Which is a bad thing for us.

Patriot as well? @leavethisbotnet

They were desperate to buy that for years

If we intervene with Russia we cause a whole different conflict

And you said no no no no no

So they bought elsewhere.

Patriot can't penetrate newest US stealth afaik

You're sanctioning them, so they'll get aid from elsewhere.

Let them

not at as long distances as S400 anyway

Do you understand how stealth works? @leavethisbotnet

quite well

It doesn't make an aircraft "invisible" forever

It makes it harder to detect that aircraft by radar

Meaning you need to be closer to it.

Why would they get Patriot, which is worse at detecting those planes than S400?

I know how it works

quite well, as I said