Message from @Nathan James 123

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2019-10-10 16:40:41 UTC  

If you make yourself into a reliable partner, that's way better guarantee

2019-10-10 16:41:02 UTC  

I know that "israel is our best ally" is a meme, but in the ME context it's not wrong

2019-10-10 16:41:03 UTC  

Define "reliable partner"

2019-10-10 16:41:15 UTC  

Do you realise that certain countries in NATO have certain roles?

2019-10-10 16:41:30 UTC  

The Royal Navy was orientated for Sub hunting during the cold war

2019-10-10 16:41:45 UTC  

Argubly they weren't a "reliable partner" when it comes to surface warfare.

2019-10-10 16:41:56 UTC  

Due to NATO requirements, they didn't go down that route...

2019-10-10 16:42:24 UTC  

Reliable as in you make the other state feel as though they can trust you that you that the next government won't just leave you on a whim.

2019-10-10 16:42:33 UTC  

Israel is reliable in this sense.

2019-10-10 16:42:44 UTC  

The USA seems to be the "reliable partner" in that sense then.

2019-10-10 16:42:52 UTC  

Cold war has been over for decades. Who has a military and works with us now? UK is on that list. Pretty sure Poland is as well.

2019-10-10 16:42:57 UTC  

Abandoning allies and agreements left and right.

2019-10-10 16:43:10 UTC  

First you broke your agreement about NATO expansion, then about protecting Ukraine, now the Kurds.

2019-10-10 16:43:17 UTC  

Why would anyone assume the USA is a "reliable partner" ?

2019-10-10 16:43:25 UTC  

Given your own definition, they're not.

2019-10-10 16:43:29 UTC  

<:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

2019-10-10 16:43:30 UTC  

unfortunately I agree

2019-10-10 16:43:41 UTC  

AMERICA is the reliable partner <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

2019-10-10 16:43:42 UTC  

though I will say

2019-10-10 16:43:43 UTC  

Not Europe

2019-10-10 16:43:44 UTC  

LOL

2019-10-10 16:43:45 UTC  

Certainly US doesn't have a perfect track record, but when one is THE hegemon, you have to make some compromises

2019-10-10 16:43:46 UTC  

fuck Ukraine

2019-10-10 16:44:09 UTC  

You seem to be making a lot of compromises for very little gain @leavethisbotnet

2019-10-10 16:44:10 UTC  

If any?

2019-10-10 16:44:11 UTC  

But muh russia power

2019-10-10 16:44:14 UTC  

and @Nathan James 123 lets not pretend Europe hadn't spent the 90s grifting off NATO

2019-10-10 16:44:29 UTC  

The compromise for no gain here is being the world police

2019-10-10 16:44:32 UTC  

Agreed, but that's changing @Sawyer42

2019-10-10 16:44:33 UTC  

which once again, I take your point and seriously

2019-10-10 16:44:37 UTC  

EU requirements are changing

2019-10-10 16:44:41 UTC  

yup

2019-10-10 16:44:45 UTC  

Militaries are modernizing

2019-10-10 16:44:48 UTC  

I know its super unpopular in the UK

2019-10-10 16:44:54 UTC  

Especially using European made equipment

2019-10-10 16:44:55 UTC  

but the EU needs a military of its own

2019-10-10 16:44:55 UTC  
2019-10-10 16:44:59 UTC  

Agreed.

2019-10-10 16:45:13 UTC  

but I think an EU military will mean the end of NATO

2019-10-10 16:45:21 UTC  

that's true, but some european states are imagining themselves as the counterweight to the US

2019-10-10 16:45:21 UTC  

Almost certainly.