German Leopards are the best in the world..

>Except for the T14 which is a paper tiger

Europeans are developing tech you're using..

@Nathan James 123 Eh, an Abhrams isn't too bad all things considered 😉

And allowed to use thanks to NATO cooperation

Which is why Poland is trying to get permanent US military presence... you just can't rely on a piece of paler

*paper

@Sawyer42 Hmmm <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

@leavethisbotnet like everything else in the world, you can until you can't

That doesn't mean its useless

oh, certainly

But one shouldn't pretend that a piece of paper is a reliable guarantee

Tripwire troops are a reliable guarantee

If you make yourself into a reliable partner, that's way better guarantee

I know that "israel is our best ally" is a meme, but in the ME context it's not wrong

Define "reliable partner"

Do you realise that certain countries in NATO have certain roles?

The Royal Navy was orientated for Sub hunting during the cold war

Argubly they weren't a "reliable partner" when it comes to surface warfare.

Due to NATO requirements, they didn't go down that route...

Reliable as in you make the other state feel as though they can trust you that you that the next government won't just leave you on a whim.

Israel is reliable in this sense.

The USA seems to be the "reliable partner" in that sense then.

Cold war has been over for decades. Who has a military and works with us now? UK is on that list. Pretty sure Poland is as well.

Abandoning allies and agreements left and right.

First you broke your agreement about NATO expansion, then about protecting Ukraine, now the Kurds.

Why would anyone assume the USA is a "reliable partner" ?

Given your own definition, they're not.

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unfortunately I agree

AMERICA is the reliable partner <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

though I will say

Not Europe

LOL

Certainly US doesn't have a perfect track record, but when one is THE hegemon, you have to make some compromises

fuck Ukraine

You seem to be making a lot of compromises for very little gain @leavethisbotnet

If any?

But muh russia power

and @Nathan James 123 lets not pretend Europe hadn't spent the 90s grifting off NATO

The compromise for no gain here is being the world police