Looking at the statistic of rape... which is devoid of financial motive. We can see that this ratio is not due to just socioeconomic status

Oh, alright - because I was going to say that literally across the board, every single crime here is committed by majority white people

Except for gambling crimes - single outlier

right, but keep in mind whites are a much much larger population size

So the disparity is pretty stark

Yeah, but if the ratios were flipped, the proportions might flip as well - you don't really know

That is a hypothetical scenario... which there is no statistics for

but I seriously doubt that thered be LESS crime if the country was majority black.

Exactly, so as soon as you get back from the alternate dimension where the US is majority black, you can tell me

I doubt the ratio would change all that much in a majority black country

Well you can't know, since there's no other country as rich or as diverse as the US, majority black or otherwise

That doesnt really subtract from the issue here

Doesn't add to it, I'd say

It does because it clearly shows there is a cultural issue that would cause the ratio to be that way. For example 72% of black children are born out of wedlock

I believe the percentage for whites is around 30% now

I don't see how race is relevant to that issure

*issue

You could probably substitute any race into that statistic. Imagine it was asians, for example, would they be likely or not likely to be suffering the same problems as a result? If likely, then race clearly isn't the important variable there, and also culture and race are not the same

Dont you see how your side of this is based on hypotheticals and things that dont exist, whilst the other is based in reality.

No, my side is based on showing you your data doesn't show what you think it shows

You don't have any comparative data

Shall i pull up the percentage of asians that are born out of wedlock

You just have one-off, circumstantial correlations

You don't need to - I already know that their numbers are different

But that doesn't mean it's based on race

They also developed in a totally different part of the world

we're talking about americans that are these races

So they are all in America, the same country

Are you denying there's a distinctly American culture, then?

What what makes you say that lol

Well if race and culture are the same, then white Americans are the same as the British, the same as the French, the same as the Germans, the same as the Norwegians...

And black Americans are the same as Jamaicans, same as Haitians, same as Nigerians, same as Ethiopians...

I think there is a distinctly American culture... and that some races/ethnicities are better at embodying that culture then others.

That doesn't make any sense

There would have to have been some a priori, objective American cultural system that existed before America existed

There is a distinctly british culture as well, and Id posit that some races are better at embodying it then others as well

That also doesn't make any sense

There would, once again, have to be some measuring stick

Some sort of pre-existing objective cultural golden ratio or something

Crime rates are the measuring stick, out of wedlock births... and etc. The things we have been discussing are the measuring stick.

Okay