Message from @LockJack

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2019-04-09 12:01:27 UTC  

I’m not saying Poland did have democracy...

2019-04-09 12:01:42 UTC  

It was authoritarian

2019-04-09 12:02:03 UTC  

So of course the reactionaries who were used to that wanted to go back to that shitty life before trying out progress

2019-04-09 12:02:56 UTC  

“Trying out progress” is that way Poland was one of the first to demand their independence during the fall of the Soviet Union?

2019-04-09 12:03:24 UTC  

You mean industrialisation and bringing the country into modern times?

2019-04-09 12:03:29 UTC  

The people didn’t ask for communism

2019-04-09 12:03:46 UTC  

It was enforced apon them

2019-04-09 12:04:32 UTC  

You really think that communism is forced onto people?

2019-04-09 12:04:34 UTC  

Lmao

2019-04-09 12:04:50 UTC  

Ahh yeah....

2019-04-09 12:04:56 UTC  

In Poland it was!

2019-04-09 12:05:07 UTC  

In Romania it was!

2019-04-09 12:05:11 UTC  

Considering that communism is first stateless, with no state oppression to force upon anything, classless, with no upper classes to force anything upon the working class

2019-04-09 12:05:19 UTC  

In Czechoslovakia it was

2019-04-09 12:05:43 UTC  

LMAO

2019-04-09 12:05:45 UTC  

Don’t give me “it’s not reall communism”

2019-04-09 12:05:58 UTC  

Argument

2019-04-09 12:06:02 UTC  

People in czechiaslovakia fought for council communism, which Khrushchev crushed

2019-04-09 12:07:06 UTC  

It but we aren’t taking about Khrushchev are we?

2019-04-09 12:07:06 UTC  

Romania was also a fascist state

2019-04-09 12:07:12 UTC  

Yes it was

2019-04-09 12:07:18 UTC  

As was Poland

2019-04-09 12:07:23 UTC  

No

2019-04-09 12:07:29 UTC  

As was most of Eastern Europe

2019-04-09 12:07:36 UTC  

Poland was a authoritarian state

2019-04-09 12:07:40 UTC  

Including Bulgaria

2019-04-09 12:07:43 UTC  

Not a fascist one

2019-04-09 12:07:47 UTC  

Under nazis it was fascist

2019-04-09 12:07:54 UTC  

Bulgaria was, I agree

2019-04-09 12:08:07 UTC  

Fascism forced upon Yugoslavia as well

2019-04-09 12:08:22 UTC  

Ustase and Cetnik forces

2019-04-09 12:08:39 UTC  

That was until, Marshall Tito, a communist, pushed them out

2019-04-09 12:08:55 UTC  

That’s because Yugoslavia allied with the west

2019-04-09 12:09:09 UTC  

And before we go on let's discuss the basics of communism

2019-04-09 12:09:19 UTC  

Communism is a stateless, moneyless and classless society

2019-04-09 12:09:34 UTC  

What these states were is called socialism, the stage in which is before communism

2019-04-09 12:09:50 UTC  

Anarchism is when you skip the stage of socialism and move straight to communism

2019-04-09 12:10:32 UTC  

I know these things

2019-04-09 12:10:41 UTC  

I used to be a communist myself

2019-04-09 12:10:46 UTC  

These countries had communist parties in control, which end goal was to reach communism and wither away the state, the threat of imperialism made it not such

2019-04-09 12:11:58 UTC  

The Soviet Union wasn’t imperialist at all huh? Afghanistan deserved it am I right?