Message from @Blebleh

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2017-05-18 21:49:23 UTC  

Was Lenin on the front line during the skirmishes between the reds and the whites?

2017-05-18 21:49:50 UTC  

yes but the history is done by the masses

2017-05-18 21:50:04 UTC  

there wasn't only a voice too

2017-05-18 21:50:06 UTC  

History is done by those who write, and write do the aristocrats. We then come full circle

2017-05-18 21:50:25 UTC  

no, the masses do the actions; we're materialists

2017-05-18 21:50:48 UTC  

and I said, all for the workers

2017-05-18 21:50:56 UTC  

@Deleted User @Blebleh would be fun to hear both of you in voice chat.

2017-05-18 21:51:01 UTC  

not the bourgeoisie extracting surplus value from the workers

2017-05-18 21:51:09 UTC  

but a planned economy for the workers

2017-05-18 21:52:01 UTC  

There's a fallacy where either you must be in the mob, or in the tower. But in the end the tower doesn't crumble and the mob only settles their implements of harvest

2017-05-18 21:52:06 UTC  

>planned economy

2017-05-18 21:52:10 UTC  

And who plans the economy?

2017-05-18 21:52:14 UTC  

The workers? The people?

2017-05-18 21:52:19 UTC  

yes

2017-05-18 21:52:27 UTC  

Through popular voicing?

2017-05-18 21:52:29 UTC  

soviets

2017-05-18 21:52:38 UTC  

@Deleted User or communist authority.

2017-05-18 21:52:50 UTC  

Authority of the rulers over the mob then

2017-05-18 21:53:02 UTC  

they make surveys and agree on a common program

2017-05-18 21:53:06 UTC  

How does this ensure the workers at all have a say in their fate?

2017-05-18 21:53:12 UTC  

nowadays would be easier and in real time because we have cybernetics

2017-05-18 21:53:19 UTC  

>surveys
>cybernetics

2017-05-18 21:53:36 UTC  

in the USSR the production was directed towards the needs for the war and healthcare for example

2017-05-18 21:53:44 UTC  

life expectancy skyrocketed

2017-05-18 21:54:01 UTC  

the production was being improved over years until the liberal reforms

2017-05-18 21:54:07 UTC  

For an expansive imperium and a docile people

2017-05-18 21:54:19 UTC  

no, the USSR wasn't imperialist

2017-05-18 21:54:30 UTC  

in period of Stalin

2017-05-18 21:54:52 UTC  

Annexing and vassalizing foreign lands is not imperialism?

2017-05-18 21:54:56 UTC  

Or be it colonialism?

2017-05-18 21:54:58 UTC  

which lands?

2017-05-18 21:55:32 UTC  

Eastern Europe and all her peoples, any countries in South America and Africa, promotion of revolutionary movements in Asia and elsewhere

2017-05-18 21:56:07 UTC  

Lenin and Stalin respected the right of nations to self-determination

2017-05-18 21:56:08 UTC  

Would not an emperor subvert his neighbors and colonize foreign barbarians who-do-not-know-the-true-way

2017-05-18 21:56:14 UTC  

they both wrote about it

2017-05-18 21:56:30 UTC  

of course they have to promote revolutionary movements when possible

2017-05-18 21:56:39 UTC  

they're not doing coups, they're helping revolutionaries

2017-05-18 21:56:42 UTC  

Incorporating sovereign nations into a singular unions doesn't sound much like self determination, neither does the suppression of nationalist movements.

2017-05-18 21:56:44 UTC  

@Deleted User inti-imperialism may look like imperialist to an uneducated eye.

2017-05-18 21:57:08 UTC  

Yes I am uneducated because I can see a system for what it is

2017-05-18 21:57:18 UTC  

>helping revolutionaries