Message from @Blebleh
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they don't have to become the bourgeoisie to be corrupt
@Blebleh What have anarchists unions achieved? They are hamstrung by their superstitious notions of 'consensus' and 'democracy'.
it could be just undermining the socialist roots or not making the decisions agreed by the people
they've achieved 8 labour hours in Spain
with a general strike
the IWW while not pure anarchist, the organization I think it's and it's big
this is all to improve conditions for the worker and also get a consciousness for the revolution
and as I said, in the USSR before the party, there were councils
@Blebleh A dictatorship of the proletariat that betrays the interests of the collective is a contradiction. Either the Party is objectively proletariat or they are revisionist traitors. Class consciousness will win in the end.
it looked more like an anarchist federation
a prole can be traitor to his class
@Blebleh In there beginning there were councils, but this was abandoned because it was childish and ineffectual for revolutionary purposes.
what lenin says
Lenin was wrong?
probably in this
A prole who is a traitor is not a prole, but an agent of the bourgeoisie.
@Blebleh Councils are limited to reformism. Revolution is exclusively the business of the Vanguard.
a prole can be an agent of the bourgeoisie, declasé
we can set up theoretical unity in the platform agreeing on revolutionary themes
no reformism allowed
Sure, you can talk about it. It seems all they do. This is a great inefficiency. The masses cannot, by definition, lead themselves.
lenin wasn't a blanquist doing a coup d'etat
he has to work with the masses, the party had
the platform can lead them
The platform, you mean like as an authority?
I wouldn't call it an authority
I disagree with Engels in that a revolution is the most authoritarian thing
because they're the original authoritarians, not us; and we're just liberating ourselves from their state
That's cute semantics, but if your platform is not arrived at through direct democracy and consultation of every single individual it represents, it is authoritarian.
I think there are some people that don't have the time to be in the platform or unions; but we can get massive support through the unions
some anarchists call this semilibertarianism
or anarcho-leninism
Is this something you support?
yes
I also could support a party as an extension
Then our positions are not so different. You want a 'representative' Party based on consensus, I see a better alternative based on competency.
the platform is independent from the party
parties are hierarchic
I think you are deluding yourself. If the platform is arrived at via a minority of representatives, then there is a hierarchy.
I don't think they should arrive with a minority of representatives