Message from @Blebleh
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Anarchists don't reject leadership, they reject following leaders with blind faith; they're focused in consensus in contrast with the democratic centralism of the party
MLs don't follow leaders blindly, democratic centralism... as the word says... is democratic
@Blebleh I just think we need a little state atleast, if just to regulate trade.
Trotskysts follow democratic centralism like the ML
@Arkras What you call state they call it a confederation with delegates
@Heiro You read them, you compare them and recognize them as the holders of these ideas; therefore you can say you follow them
you like their brand of anarchism/communism
cult of personality was reported by Stalin and Hoxha for example
it was just allowed
@Blebleh Lenin wrote only active parts of organizations are considered communist.
soviet democracy has assemblies in it
it's not a dictatorship of a party; it's just that in the moment of the USSR they needed the vanguard and the democratic reform of Stalin came too late
I want an state which is made of a body of miniters, maybe 200 or so. They would be elected into a senate, and then they should discuss laws and stuff. A voter should could vote on 20 canditates each election which would once a year. In times of crisis the minister should be able to inforce a Dictator in the Roman sense, and avert the crisis. After that the dictator would give power back to the ministers. @Blebleh
It would be lose and flexiable, but it would work i think.
@Heiro They used soviets, in times of crisis they needed to put an emphasis on the vanguard; the conditions were harsh https://www.marxists.org/archive/reed/1918/soviets.htm
@Arkras We even have now liquid democracy to combine delegation with direct democracy, but this is done only with technology
@Blebleh who used soviets? Soviets supported the leadership of the communist. Before that Soviets opposed Bolsheviks.
What is liquid democracy?
was it a question or a comment?
It is the "but this is done only with technology" i did not understand
no, if they didn't support them they wouldn't have done a revolution
they opposed leftcoms
Thank you @Blebleh
@Blebleh Soviets opposed many. They were part of the liberal socdem current before joining Bolsheviks.
@The Special Cnut Also you can search a software called LiquidFeedback, there's a book "The Principles of LiquidFeedback" that explains how it could be done; but now the page to download it is fallen, I could upload it if you wish
it's software
Okay
And while Soviets been liberal they opposed communist.
@Heiro That's what history books say like that they were the 1% and they opposed them; but then I see other version
like when some people consider the october revolution was a coup
The point is to stop being liberal and support communists. Soviets gained a lot from joining communist leadership.
The other version says that there was an error in which they attributed 900,000 to social revolutionaries