i'm just trying to get the full picture

isnt there another discord server like this or did that one get deleted/

the question that i keep wondering is: once communism has taken effect, how different would the children of the generation who established it actually be?

purely hypothetical

Which part bothers you? What do you anticipate?

it doesn't bother me

their children would grow up without agency or work ethics, it seems to me that if communism ever truly was, hypothetically, established, that it wouldn't last longer than a single generation due to the loss of value and ideas

it seems like it would serve a single generation

That is the role of socialism. To guide this process.

To avoid the things you just mentioned.

and how can that be maintained when there is no state to enforce it?

whether or not what a parent instructs their sons and daughters, there is no guarantee they can absorb their message simply by being told or instructed or... however the idea would even continue to be propagated.

Teach a child to swim before you throw him in the deep end.

but there is no water for him to swim in

the idea is there, but labor is gone, effectively

The state, if doing its function, dissolves over time because it losses relevance. I do not see how it would disappear over night.

the assumption is that it's already dissolved

remember, this is only a hypothetical scenario

Yes, I am assuming to what I have read about Marxism.

It may be true that humanity is not ready to lose its training wheels of socialism.

it's an interesting subject to think about

the transfer of values seems incredibly important, especially in any society that could be called "utopia"

Social conditions shape values, not the other way around. Socialism must cultivate correct social conditions.

well i didn't say otherwise

but i can see how the reverse is easily true

if someone thinks eating meat is bad they'll probably avoid doing so themselves and might even just tell others to do similar

That depends if you are an idealist or materialist.

i think they shape eachother

Historical conditions determine values, I think. Not magically created from the mind or somewhere else.

don't know enough english to even begin talking about something like that

the human mind anyways

i do think ideas can appear randomly, personally

there's so much wild stuff in this world, but i don't have any idea how to even begin arguing that

It is not a question of mind, but what causes it.

That knowledge is objective and knowable.

there is spontaneous thought though

Where does that come from?

God?

just the mind itself

or maybe god, if you believe

The mind creates thoughts from nothing?