Message from @(Owen
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Ha! Under that idea, every ideology is equally true.
Practice separates the fakers from the heroes.
Elaborate.
Marxist-Leninism prides itself on produced theories that work in realities. Empty mythology may make you feel good but it does not lead to success. Simply, the chessboard decides. When Stalin defeated the Wehrmacht he showed a level of expertise which outweighed his challengers. That is an important fact.
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But yet, one could argue that stalinism was not muh true communism
Not to mention..... it was not the ideologies that died but the countries.
@Deleted User Please don;t resort to meme. Communism is a goal, far beyond what humans are yet capable of. Marx predicted we would go there, through Socialism first. It is an insult, demonstrating you have read nothing of the theory.
And could communism really be considered a success? The entire system buckled and collapsed and people like gorbachev had to tear the whole thing down.
The only reason this did not happen to china is because they became capitalistic in nature.
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Same with vietnam and laos.
the reason it collapse because only the original 3 knew the truth and real plan
eveyrone after that failed because Stalin got Power Hungry and refused to play into Central Bank
so he died prematurely
I am glad you mentioned Gorbashit. He is a revisionist, meaning he abandoned theory. It is amazing that the USSR got to far on the back of Stalin who was the last to use Leninst theory.
he didn't abandon it, he didn't know it or understood it or care for it
Though I cannot say this with north korea and cuba, because they managed to maintain their somewhat communist beliefs by shutting off all communications with the outside world and isolating themselves as much as possible. (Though you could exclude cuba because they are becoming capitalistic as well)
for the most part NK are happy
@Deleted User Yet the entire system collapsed and was torn down, meaning that by your definition, it was unsuccessful.
they could use more food and enterntaiment but overall their life is concrete since they know what tomorrow will be like unlike us
who aren't sure what next election will do to the country
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he is sacrifcing himself to save us
Like I said, I am Marxist-Leninist, I only care about the implementation of these theories, not the hijacking of it by revisionists. This is much more than Fascism which drove itself off a cliff all by itself, and by all objective measures will continue to do so.
Communism wlil not happen in USA
it just can't
Fascism arguably still exists today, though it is not implemented by governments, the governments that did (except for spain) succumbed to war and were forced to either become a democratic puppet, or a soviet puppet.
I could say much of the same as leninism and communism.
Only they did not succumb to war but popular demand.
That's nice. But you can appreciate the different realities which Communism and Fascism exist. Communism has historical merit, always pushing into a new revolution as proved how to do by the past, Fascism got steamrolled and is trying to somehow reinvent itself in a new world. There is a difference.
If you want to get techical, you could call the reign of ceasear in the roman empire a fascist one, and 20th century fascism does have historical merit, as it managed to revitalize the failing economy in germany, and united people to take territory that their claimed, while they were not successful in doing so, they managed to conquer and spread at possibly the fastest rate seen in history.
(You have to give them merit for how they managed to get past the maginot line in france, and how they managed to grow at an extremely rapid rate.)
If you want to play history, you should look at Historical Materialism, which predicts that Communism is the future of all human social relations. It seems your theory simply cannot compete, and in my experience this is true, being an ex-Fascist myself. it is child's play/
History can play out in spectacular and unbelieveable ways, I find it extremely unlikely that communism will ever rule human relations at all in the future.
And "in my experience", I don't know how to reply since I don't even know about your experience or if they are ever worthy mentioning.
You can belief whatever you want to, son. The difference is being willing to look at the evidence and theory that is presented. If you want to deny something without even looking at it, that's your business.